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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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Rendlesham forest incident it doesn't

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so classic flying-saucer really standing

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in the clearing he turned over to my

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father and held his hand and he looked

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in his eyes and said we're not alone

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welcome to podcast UFO for our live show

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to the show I'm gonna have fun tonight I

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have all the way from Woonsocket however

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that is pronounced Rhode Island I have a

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guest Paul you know in studio drove up

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here and but before we start with Paul

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we have Alejandro Rojas coming up with

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in my good buddy in Arizona Alejandro

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Rojas oh you look a little different on

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dro this is a desert whale hey hey

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actually at my house we can do

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lifestyles of the UFO nerd all right oh

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yeah there's my living room how about

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that yeah yeah so people just don't know

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what they're missing when they don't

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watch our YouTube livestream house that

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has this shot it's janitor sort of yeah

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you're a little off screen but I can fix

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there you go perfect right there do not

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move all right

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welcome to the show alejandro how are

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you good good I can move a little bit

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right yeah yeah you can talk if you want

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to so cool good

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well it's I'm doing well always good to

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see you and your guests and Paul which

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is a cool guest I have yeah been on

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Paul's show I think a couple times and

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he's a lot of fun so and I remember you

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saying that he lives nearby and you

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could have run into him occasionally at

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different events and so that sounds like

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a lot of fun so and you've had him on

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it's not that bad yeah that's not that

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bad yeah especially when people win

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contests to be able to join you in

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studio oh oh yes that was right week

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that was last week get it yeah that was

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pretty funny and little did he know he

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awesome show with Psalm acidic one of

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that was great yeah so what's going on

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newsstand special edition Newsweek

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called life beyond Earth question mark

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to be the kind of stuff Martin in all

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Mars or what-have-you but the majority

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alien abduction all the different types

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photos from the UFO Congress and they

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other stories so they're very serious

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debunking people as UFO weirdos or

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something out so it's a great art did

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have you gotten a copy I have not I

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that's wonderful they recommended my

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podcast unfortunately not yours but

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lucky for you people find out about your

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podcast because I'm on your podcast too

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yep yeah you're my last last in fact

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end which is a lot of fun we probably

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the Tom DeLonge meeting and see this

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this kind of you know a lot of people oh

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essentially in 2004 the whole naval

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strike force around the Nimitz because

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themselves I've got a bunch of boats

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tac toe they felt it look like that they

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scrambled jets to chase this thing

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typical stories you know like we've

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heard for four decades they try to chase

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of my stature which is you know in the

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thing so yet Jeremy corbels been working

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that he confirmed was taken by one of

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the jets in that case and and we should

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this case but a lot of stuff going on up

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this remarkable case know-how 2004 so

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the first yep this has been talked about

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Robert and some others ran across it

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x-files experience and essentially it

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chased this UFO we don't know what the

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heck it was and that was the gist of his

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story but he posted this yeah the high

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tech UFO that he posted this story on a

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Navy pilot website kind of vlog so it

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wasn't in a UFO thing or anything it was

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for pilots and it had created somewhat

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Bigelow's group actually really so they

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conference now it's become a really big

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haven't really looked into this someone

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said how come Chris Mellon has taken a

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that comment and I want to look into

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exactly what he's saying I think I know

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what people are saying and I think that

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nuanced then then just are you a

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believer or a non-believer and a lot of

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people struggle with that I get that a

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lot people saying well you don't really

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believe in UFOs what makes you think

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that you know III you know I'm not a

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skeptic just like debunking everything

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mystery and so a lot of people feel that

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believe in everything there's chemtrails

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you're not into this stuff so like what

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certainly on the skeptical side but he

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believes there's a genuine mystery when

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it comes to UFOs he said that on your

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show he said that all along and I don't

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he's just demonstrating in this this

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incidence a case that supports that

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belief but he certainly still on the

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skeptical end of things where you know

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he needs a lot more proof in evidence to

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figure out what these are especially

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before he jumps to a conclusion such as

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that their extraterrestrial spacecraft

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yeah yeah I get that I get all that yeah

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so and you get it and I think the person

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that was asking you the question did not

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get it I love the finger by the way is

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that I think I see a UFO up by your head

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over I'm gonna feel oh my gosh yeah see

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they go up oh right oh yeah whoa oh he's

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on actually he's back no this is another

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that's a speaker surround oh wow that'd

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be good yeah like if we wash please yeah

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well I like the the digs you have

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they're very nice oh I am so Eddie

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there's my kitchen so this is why you

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have to watch video yeah there's to see

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there's different surrounds and then

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there were surround fish porcelain fish

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yeah fish they're actually wood oh well

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I've got kind of a beachy feel going

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here yeah well hey thanks for the tour

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so anything else happening in the UFO

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world you know what those aren't the big

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stories that are out there there's a few

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other things going on there are some

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stories around again what's kind of cool

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is a Cheryl Kosta who has written a book

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on UFO sightings there's been some more

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stories about her and her book in fact

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Fox News did a story but they went with

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new forks information and it's similar

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to what's been done before but the top

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25 cities for UFO sightings another

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thing that's kind of exciting at that's

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out there that's getting a lot more buzz

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is that Josh gates has been doing on

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Expedition unknown a series on UFO

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and aliens and hunting UFOs and the the

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newest ones are a little exciting

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because Ben Hansen is gonna be in it

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Oh God and also you know of fact or

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faked he's a he's a cool guy a friend

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and then also they're gonna be doing the

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Roswell special which I'm interested in

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because I know that they did some

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research that is new and everybody's

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been looking for but I don't know what

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they found yet so I'm excited to find

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that out and I got to ride on the float

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with Josh gates at the parade in Roswell

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so I'm hoping maybe I get a little bit

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of screen time right right and I think

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well might be tonight yeah tonight if

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not tonight I know it's on very soon

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excellent all right man well thanks so

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much and I'll talk to you next week on

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your show and all right my pleasure and

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have you back next week on this one too

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all right you take care thanks for the

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little tortilla house my pleasure thanks

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for coming on by and and kicking your

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feet up and visiting in my my home here

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all right all right talk to you later

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cm bye bye all right so our guest our

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guest tonight friend good friend again

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came all the way up from wound sake he's

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gonna tell me the right way to say that

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one socket one socket all right welcome

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to show Paul oh try to see if I'm

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scooping a little scoot in a little more

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here we are look at this green screen

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going all right so thank you for making

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the trip up Oh a very head yeah I guess

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we have to see her head so anyway for

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the person that is unfamiliar with who

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you are which isn't a lot of people that

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are regular listeners because you've

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been on what L by the way people who are

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watching this show this is a real where

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rare occasion I a lot of times I wear a

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tie for work but this is the bow tie how

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Paul came so you know I I couldn't be

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outdone and I don't have a bow tie I've

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never been able to figure out how to tie

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a bow tie you want to take a few minutes

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and tie the bow ties no I'm just kidding

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I'm kidding okay I need a mirror

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yeah all right so welcome to the show

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and please tell the listening audience a

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little bit about yourself your

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background well our right if you insist

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I started out in 1970 while I was

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studying for the priesthood and I was

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very curious about the ghost phenomena

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that is present and every culture

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throughout history and I proceeded to

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attempt to study that from the viewpoint

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of theology which was bizarre because I

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was really young and that my first case

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took me to places that gave me the

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indication that these people were not

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dead at all never mind being in

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purgatory which is what I thought was

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going on so that led to a number of very

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very strange cases some of which as time

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went on as I began to look beyond a

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certain house or family led to UFOs in

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some cases and led even to to cryptids

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you know Bigfoot and all that sort of

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things sometimes it just got bigger and

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bigger so that now and my son joined me

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in 2005 my son Ben

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and so we specialized now in flap areas

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areas of seemingly unrelated but

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unrelenting paranormal phenomena of many

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different kinds so that's essentially

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where we're coming from and we have a

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lot of weird ideas that go beyond I

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think the 19th century ideas and what is

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happening in the ghost world and perhaps

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in the UFO world too yes I on the

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everything else show I had David Hall on

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and he talked about the house where you

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were actually at where the thing you saw

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these things the 400 pound refrigerator

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or will 200 pound whatever was lift off

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the ground and and all that you actually

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saw this and the presence no this is a

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UFO show but I mean I just think that

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well I mean yeah it's very relevant you

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bring that up Martin because it was in

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the presence of three firefighters and

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on one side of me and three police

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officers on the other

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and I just had now of course I was in

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this I was a 21 year old seminary

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student I was working with Ed and

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Lorraine Warren of the conjuring Fame

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and I just was getting the impression

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that what we thought was going on which

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was demons we were sitting around this

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house for three days with a priest

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waiting for the bishop of Bridgeport

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Connecticut to give us permission into

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an exorcism and I just felt there were

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four alien entities in this house I

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cannot think of a better word to

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describe what I got for me and and I had

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a physical struggle with one of them

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which sounds very strange because it

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threw me for a loop because this is

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supposed to be a spirit you know and I

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just knew described that exactly what do

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you mean sure well that we came in this

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is November 25th 1974 then the previous

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day was a Sunday I was on my way down to

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the Warren's house and Lorraine a

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tremendous cook and you know I was home

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from the seminary for Thanksgiving

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vacation and I never got my dinner

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because she came leaping out of the

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house as soon as I drove up and said are

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you in a high spiritual state right now

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and I was not by any means I was

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considering leaving the Roman Catholic

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Church as a matter of fact so I said

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sure I'm fine you know so naturally down

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we went and I ended up with the better

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part of three days in this house

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with them and but but there was one on

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Monday night the next night the 25th

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they had left to be on some television

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show and I was alone in the house with

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the family which was a couple in their

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40s and they were adopted little girl

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Marcy ten years old a neighbor and a

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reporter John Sopko from the Bridgeport

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Post all of a sudden the kitchen filled

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with some sort of energy and you could

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almost see sort of a gauzy cloud in the

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kitchen several other weird things

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happen including mr. Gooden who was a

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blue-collar worker at the Harvey Hubbell

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company which makes electrical fixtures

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in Bridgeport went into the kitchen and

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started chanting in a low bass voice

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what sounded to me something from a

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funeral Mass okay and I was later told

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to me that this was the funeral mass for

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children I heard it and there whoever

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told me that didn't hear

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so anyway he have four entities can only

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describe them as entities came out of

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the little girl's room next to the

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kitchen up the hallway one of them and

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you could almost see this gauzy

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structure coming out and and one of them

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stood in front of me I put the little

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girl behind me Marcy and because I knew

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it was after her and this is where I

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learned the hard way that you know you

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do not get fearful annoyed or angry with

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these things because they will feed off

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of this

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they aren't servants of Satan we believe

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that that the multiversal parasites a

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part of nature perhaps undiscovered

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science so I naturally I pushed against

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it just instinctively as you would do it

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pushed back it had a bone structure

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a physical I just I was absolutely

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thrown for a loop because it smashed all

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my preconceived notions including what I

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learned in the seminar which was a much

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about this subject because they did they

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don't really teach you this stuff and so

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as I was confused to got around me and

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through the little girl across the room

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but but these were alien beings as I say

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I cannot think of a better word to

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describe them and today we consult with

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several of the names including a good

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friend Kathy Martin a crossover

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phenomena when people are experiencing

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abductions things are this kind of all

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of a sudden poltergeist activity starts

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taking place in their house so they

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start seeing strange things that would

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not ordinarily be associated with the

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UFO phenomenon so I think we're dealing

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with the tip of the iceberg in the case

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of even an abduction experience or a

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ghost or even Bigfoot I think that

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there's far more to it and if you look

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at Rendlesham forest places of that kind

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which is a true flap area and you talk

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to the local people which most

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investigators don't do you find it is

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the tip of the iceberg indeed and the

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things have been going on there since

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Saxon times and they still are including

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binary codes Bigfoot or Yeti as they

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call it and we ourselves had to some

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strange experiences there are we being

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Ben and myself so I think it's in a way

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the first day of school here but that in

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that house in Bridgeport was was my my

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opening day as far as a new ideas were

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concerned I want to talk a little bit

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about

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before that this entity that kind of

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smacked into you basically so and you

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said you felt like I had a bone

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structure a couple of questions did it

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feel like it had any type of temperature

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at all cold or warm did you smell any

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odors did you like did it feel like

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there was a present like a being right

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there in front of you that's a good

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question definitely a being in front of

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me the air smelled like ozone which is

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interesting yeah and as far as the

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temperature obviously it was fully

540
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dressed so I mean I didn't feel anything

541
00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:41,190
through the thing but it wasn't didn't

542
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:43,230
suck all the cold the warm air out of

543
00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:45,690
the room as a matter of fact in 47 years

544
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:48,390
of tangling with with the ghost

545
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:51,510
quote-unquote only once have I

546
00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:53,570
experienced that field which is very odd

547
00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:56,190
everyone points to that as a fundamental

548
00:22:59,600 --> 00:22:58,110
experience as far as dealing with the

549
00:23:03,230 --> 00:22:59,610
ghosts as you know that air get

550
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:03,240
everything gets cold and and only once

551
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:04,740
can I say that really in a very

552
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:06,330
pronounced manner that that occur and

553
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:08,160
that was in Manchester Connecticut in

554
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,110
the 1970s and that Bridgeport very

555
00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:12,480
strange that way Wow explain it Wow

556
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:14,550
back to the binary code why I want to

557
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:16,380
talk about that I've always been kind of

558
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,110
I've invited Jim Penniston on this show

559
00:23:24,050 --> 00:23:21,840
a couple of times he's said he's going

560
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:24,060
to come eventually but he just hasn't

561
00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:27,000
made the jump but uh one of the things I

562
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,980
want to talk to him about is that binary

563
00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:30,840
code because I am on the fence about

564
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:33,960
that so I want to find out what you have

565
00:23:39,170 --> 00:23:37,290
to say about that well we know Jim I

566
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:39,180
suppose as well as anyone who hasn't met

567
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:41,220
him he's been on our show a number of

568
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:44,490
times we although my bubble was burst I

569
00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:46,170
thought we had done on behind the

570
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:49,590
paranormal 16 hours at least of

571
00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:52,410
interviews and podcasts with all the

572
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:54,660
major witnesses and apparently someone

573
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,220
else has done what I think it's a pair

574
00:24:00,290 --> 00:23:58,200
of castor I think it's done more than we

575
00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:00,300
have but however we've done a lot and

576
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:01,950
that Jim came out and talked about this

577
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:04,860
and we like Jim but I had a few

578
00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:09,110
questions as to if this occurred in 1980

579
00:24:13,550 --> 00:24:12,660
how come he waited so long to talk about

580
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:13,560
it and wrote

581
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:16,650
the thing and I suppose I don't think I

582
00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:18,210
would have done the same thing I mean if

583
00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:19,830
this came into my mind I was writing

584
00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:21,950
down that there's these codes that

585
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:24,150
according to the researchers have turned

586
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:26,850
out to be coordinates geographical

587
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:30,000
coordinates among other things why would

588
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,520
you wait so I don't know I'm on the

589
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:34,980
fence about it - I guess Martin again I

590
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:35,880
wasn't there

591
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:39,510
however when we we were there in 2012

592
00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:42,210
Ben and myself and we sort of did some

593
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:44,160
exploring where we had a lot of local

594
00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:46,410
listeners who took us around were also

595
00:24:51,650 --> 00:24:47,940
people who had experienced things in

596
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:51,660
Rendlesham forest and the very first

597
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:53,310
night we were there Ben

598
00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:55,140
he operates under about a different

599
00:24:59,240 --> 00:24:57,060
level than I do I tend to be more maybe

600
00:25:01,790 --> 00:24:59,250
academic as much as you can be in this

601
00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:01,800
field but then is more experiential and

602
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:05,100
he collapsed in the parking lot because

603
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:07,980
this is at night and dogs began howling

604
00:25:14,150 --> 00:25:11,370
up and down the road including dog the

605
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,160
dog that was with us who belonged to

606
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:15,960
Gordy good you're the promoter who had

607
00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:20,220
us there and he will go through that

608
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,750
it's almost a shamanic experience and

609
00:25:25,550 --> 00:25:23,400
he'll go through this and he won't

610
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:25,560
entirely remember what happens or how

611
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:28,500
long it's been but I've some other

612
00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:30,900
strange things that have happened but so

613
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:33,270
that happened and then the people told

614
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:34,710
us I'm thinking particularly Brenda

615
00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:37,890
Butler and the Beverly plum bridge

616
00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:41,430
people of that area have said that they

617
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:42,630
have been in the forest and felt they

618
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:44,970
have had binary downloads even long

619
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:47,970
before a Jim released his story about

620
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:52,620
this so it's again it's a tip of the

621
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:55,170
iceberg you can trace it back to Saxon

622
00:25:59,030 --> 00:25:57,570
times there are some very strange

623
00:26:02,810 --> 00:25:59,040
photographs taken and there including

624
00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:02,820
the night we were there and so it's it's

625
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:05,280
again one of those things that it wasn't

626
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:08,250
just December 1980 and other people have

627
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:11,940
reported strange lights everything that

628
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:14,580
was reported pretty much on this in

629
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:18,210
december of twenty nineteen eighty has

630
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:20,010
been reported with the possible

631
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:21,450
exception of people you know touching

632
00:26:29,030 --> 00:26:24,090
crafts like Penniston said he did so

633
00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:29,040
yeah yes up there there was someone out

634
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:31,920
there that was saying that a girlfriend

635
00:26:39,050 --> 00:26:37,440
had that book for a while and prior to a

636
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:39,060
certain time there was never any binary

637
00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:41,070
code in that book I don't know how true

638
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:43,860
that is you know you know in other words

639
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:45,810
it was written in at a later time

640
00:26:52,580 --> 00:26:50,010
you know but again that's all hearsay so

641
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:52,590
I have no idea you know if I had them on

642
00:26:56,620 --> 00:26:54,810
the show I'd ask them that question but

643
00:26:59,180 --> 00:26:56,630
also just to let the listener know

644
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:59,190
anytime during the show we are going to

645
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:01,260
welcome Collins that's something I

646
00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:03,090
normally don't do since we're in studio

647
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:05,190
anyone that wants to call in ask a

648
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:08,100
question talk a little bit about maybe

649
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:10,620
an experience or UFO sighting or

650
00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:11,850
anything like that you're welcome to do

651
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:14,070
that that number yeah I'll put it in the

652
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:19,080
chat room too 603 nine six seven 403 oh

653
00:27:25,820 --> 00:27:21,630
if you're calling from another country

654
00:27:30,130 --> 00:27:25,830
it's one six zero three nine six seven

655
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:30,140
four oh three oh why don't you talk a

656
00:27:35,150 --> 00:27:32,910
quickly about your show that you've had

657
00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:35,160
I think you have seven hundred some-odd

658
00:27:40,580 --> 00:27:37,940
shows they're free podcasts out there

659
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,590
yeah we were in our tenth year it's

660
00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:42,900
behind the paranormal with Paul and Ben

661
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:45,990
he no and we were on CBS radio for four

662
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:48,090
and a half years and then they closed

663
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:49,380
down that part of the network so our

664
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:53,100
home right now is wo and 12:40 in the

665
00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:56,340
Boston Providence market and the website

666
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,610
is behind the paranormal comm there are

667
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:01,200
over seven hundred and twenty hours if

668
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,230
you have the time of show since 2008 if

669
00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:06,240
you're an over the road trucker you have

670
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:08,280
it made because you can listen forever

671
00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:10,200
and people tell us they actually do that

672
00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:11,430
they must have headaches by the time

673
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:13,790
they get to LA I would think so well

674
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:16,410
also there is our instructions about how

675
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:17,880
to listen live if you're not in the

676
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:19,410
Boston Providence area and they're a

677
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:20,820
couple of apps and this sort of thing

678
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:23,940
and the show has a stream and now they

679
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:26,490
have the jarring experience of seeing

680
00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:28,830
the video as well of us in the stool

681
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,540
which is very boring I think if we don't

682
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:33,360
have an in-studio guest however much

683
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,450
like the the

684
00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:37,360
pounding experience we're having here if

685
00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:39,160
we have someone in the studio that then

686
00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:41,470
it's far more interesting but yeah our

687
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:44,560
first one was with a Shan seer way very

688
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:46,630
dear colleague of ours and co-host of

689
00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:48,490
their open line show so we had that from

690
00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:50,920
Sunday so behind the paranormal calm and

691
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:52,360
check the archives page it's all free

692
00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:55,690
and also it's kind of funny here you

693
00:29:01,290 --> 00:28:58,150
can't tell this but the studio is very

694
00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:01,300
very small here very tight yeah

695
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:03,700
and in time what a broad neat

696
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:06,130
Dangerfield used to say that his bedroom

697
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:08,050
was so small he he had to go outside of

698
00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:09,850
it to change his mind that's kind of how

699
00:29:14,030 --> 00:29:11,800
small well there's not much room in

700
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:14,040
these spacecraft so you know yeah yeah

701
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:15,280
yeah

702
00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:19,330
so anyway I like it that way I like it

703
00:29:24,390 --> 00:29:20,500
that so it's good

704
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,400
but anyway can you also talk about have

705
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:27,120
you yourself had any UFO experiences

706
00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:31,450
well people always ask me they ask me

707
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:34,780
are you an experiencer and I say well no

708
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:36,610
and I said well sure you are you've been

709
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:39,970
you run into alien poltergeists in

710
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:43,600
Bridgeport and and bear-like visitors

711
00:29:49,050 --> 00:29:46,480
and in attics near Buffalo New York this

712
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:49,060
sort of thing and so yeah I suppose and

713
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:51,850
a lot of with our view of the of the

714
00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:54,940
multiverse as it's been called they're

715
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:56,560
running we're running into alien

716
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:58,330
creatures all the time in the sense of

717
00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:01,360
very other sorts of creatures but I've

718
00:30:07,530 --> 00:30:04,750
never really we've seen odd things in

719
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:07,540
the sky particularly in the Litchfield

720
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:09,730
Triangle in Connecticut as we call it

721
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:12,760
that was a period in 2009 2010 when the

722
00:30:16,050 --> 00:30:14,410
people in Goshen Connecticut we get out

723
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:16,060
of their cars at night just watch these

724
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:18,580
weird lights in the sky which Ben and I

725
00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:21,580
our selves have seen I also saw the

726
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:24,100
Phoenix lights from an airplane you did

727
00:30:28,170 --> 00:30:25,570
apparently yes

728
00:30:30,290 --> 00:30:28,180
that was in Libra so six or seven Ben

729
00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:30,300
and I were on the way to San Diego to do

730
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:33,700
a presentation there and we were flying

731
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:35,350
over Phoenix and of course now I'm

732
00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:38,290
thinking is your zip bang you know you

733
00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:39,640
know I don't know how many hundreds of

734
00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:42,670
miles an hour and you're 33,000 feet but

735
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:45,160
I happen to be one of the few people

736
00:30:48,029 --> 00:30:47,050
awake and I looked out of the window and

737
00:30:50,190 --> 00:30:48,039
they're down

738
00:30:52,529 --> 00:30:50,200
oh and it's very special eating like

739
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:52,539
very difficult to estimate altitude but

740
00:30:57,659 --> 00:30:54,779
I would say maybe about 10,000 feet

741
00:31:01,320 --> 00:30:57,669
there were was a line of lights four

742
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:01,330
lights two of them split off what one

743
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:02,710
looked as though was going toward the

744
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:05,080
ground and then of course we got to San

745
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:06,609
Diego and it said in the paper at the

746
00:31:10,499 --> 00:31:07,929
next day they'd seen the Phoenix lights

747
00:31:11,969 --> 00:31:10,509
of the night before so presumably that's

748
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:11,979
what it was between the city of the

749
00:31:17,369 --> 00:31:14,700
mountains and you know I spent 12 years

750
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:17,379
reserve albeit but a lot of active duty

751
00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:18,669
in the military I know what a flare

752
00:31:23,639 --> 00:31:21,580
looks like this was not it yeah so well

753
00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:23,649
they the curious thing about the Phoenix

754
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:25,960
lights is they actually did set off

755
00:31:30,479 --> 00:31:28,090
flares and I've always wondered

756
00:31:32,909 --> 00:31:30,489
I've never heard a definitive of this

757
00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:32,919
but I always wondered if they did that

758
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:36,460
purposely to throw people off away from

759
00:31:40,169 --> 00:31:37,769
you know the event that was happening

760
00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:40,179
well that's what you do I mean in the

761
00:31:44,249 --> 00:31:41,830
military I had a clearance not very high

762
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:44,259
but you know enough to realize you can

763
00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:47,470
pick up some tips what you often do is

764
00:31:52,859 --> 00:31:50,590
is to create diversionary phenomena or

765
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:52,869
whatever or rumors or things of this

766
00:31:56,969 --> 00:31:54,970
kind and get people looking the other

767
00:31:59,039 --> 00:31:56,979
way I think they realized a long time

768
00:32:02,339 --> 00:31:59,049
ago at least in the 60s that you really

769
00:32:03,749 --> 00:32:02,349
can't keep secrets you know anymore you

770
00:32:05,639 --> 00:32:03,759
can really can't keep the lid on things

771
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:05,649
especially now in the age of the

772
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,210
integrand I could just imagine that they

773
00:32:10,460 --> 00:32:09,039
know it's a three-ring circus as far as

774
00:32:12,869 --> 00:32:10,470
trying to do that so you release

775
00:32:15,859 --> 00:32:12,879
accurate information from less than

776
00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:15,869
accurate sources and vice versa and

777
00:32:21,450 --> 00:32:18,279
everybody loves a mystery and people are

778
00:32:23,310 --> 00:32:21,460
looking the other way so you know I I

779
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:23,320
don't know I it's just I always thought

780
00:32:30,869 --> 00:32:27,279
that in some ways the UFO story was in

781
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,879
some cases a ruse for covering up

782
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:33,039
something else and I really until I was

783
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:36,210
chased across the desert outside area 51

784
00:32:41,729 --> 00:32:40,090
in 2007 when I was supposed to be

785
00:32:44,369 --> 00:32:41,739
speaking in Vega and that's kind of a

786
00:32:47,879 --> 00:32:44,379
long story but I mean it just that was a

787
00:32:49,229 --> 00:32:47,889
bit much some time about that did you

788
00:32:51,659 --> 00:32:49,239
actually put you're trying to put your

789
00:32:52,859 --> 00:32:51,669
feet on I know you can actually walk on

790
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:52,869
that they have sensors and everything

791
00:32:57,869 --> 00:32:55,570
yeah no I did not what happened was that

792
00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:57,879
it was I was supposed to speak

793
00:33:02,110 --> 00:32:59,690
everything went wrong this week I was

794
00:33:04,299 --> 00:33:02,120
to be speaking at the MGM Grand and they

795
00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:04,309
had 300 people signed up to hear me

796
00:33:07,869 --> 00:33:05,720
speak and then there was a blizzard in

797
00:33:09,999 --> 00:33:07,879
New England here and I couldn't get I

798
00:33:11,769 --> 00:33:10,009
was a day late so they had like 20

799
00:33:13,659 --> 00:33:11,779
people show up they rescheduled it was

800
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:13,669
really really bad

801
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,250
then I got poisoned I guess by the

802
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:18,559
shrimp or something and I'm in the room

803
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:20,330
and no matter how nice the hotel you

804
00:33:24,909 --> 00:33:22,250
know drives you buggy after a while so

805
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,919
yeah I think it's my last day I'm gonna

806
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:26,960
go I had a rental car I don't go up to

807
00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:30,230
Rachel Nevada is about 175 miles of

808
00:33:35,529 --> 00:33:32,750
which for them is not much yeah right

809
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:35,539
and do it yeah so and you'll get a few

810
00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:37,820
cheesy souvenirs at the little alien

811
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:39,500
from up from my sons you know who are

812
00:33:42,999 --> 00:33:41,690
all into this so I'll profile when

813
00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:43,009
because immediately get off the highway

814
00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:45,080
there's no cell service at least at the

815
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:48,440
time so I got to the the park that the

816
00:33:51,999 --> 00:33:50,330
road kind of splits off and there's a

817
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:52,009
sign I get that they put it there for

818
00:33:56,289 --> 00:33:53,330
the tourists in the Extra Terrestrial

819
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:56,299
highway and there were some trees and a

820
00:33:59,799 --> 00:33:58,610
couple of cars parked there so I didn't

821
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,809
pay attention that I get I'll take

822
00:34:03,129 --> 00:34:01,279
picture of the sign the girls you know

823
00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:03,139
the stickers all over at people who put

824
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:05,870
and you know thousands of people must

825
00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:08,089
take take pictures of that sign so all

826
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:09,800
of a sudden I look to my right the where

827
00:34:13,210 --> 00:34:11,210
the road Forks off and there was a

828
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,220
vehicle with the US government plates a

829
00:34:17,710 --> 00:34:16,399
white SUV and I mean I when I got thrown

830
00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:17,720
out of the seminary I ended up a

831
00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:19,700
journalism I became a reporter so yeah I

832
00:34:23,319 --> 00:34:21,409
couldn't help it so I put the camera on

833
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:23,329
the guy the finger comes up you know

834
00:34:31,059 --> 00:34:27,129
like a look that would curdle coca-cola

835
00:34:32,889 --> 00:34:31,069
and so I put the camera away and started

836
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:32,899
off down down the road where the speed

837
00:34:38,829 --> 00:34:35,089
limit is 70 miles an hour much much to

838
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:38,839
my amazement and they started to follow

839
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:42,710
me Wow and there they were it was at

840
00:34:46,569 --> 00:34:45,260
least 10 miles they were like inches

841
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:46,579
behind my bumper this is what they

842
00:34:50,339 --> 00:34:48,290
looked like and again you know I'm a

843
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:50,349
veteran I've been in some weird

844
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:54,020
situations and this really shook me up

845
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,210
as much as anything ever did in the

846
00:35:00,130 --> 00:34:58,880
service finally they got off the road

847
00:35:03,069 --> 00:35:00,140
and went down some dirt road into the

848
00:35:04,329 --> 00:35:03,079
wilderness presumably toward the base so

849
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,339
I got the little alien and it was a

850
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Wednesday morning nobody was around and

851
00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:08,330
the lady in there said what happened to

852
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:13,070
you and she said I told her and and then

853
00:35:17,650 --> 00:35:15,740
she was she knew who I was and she said

854
00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:17,660
oh you were taking pictures of the

855
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:21,140
park-and-ride for area 51 I said excuse

856
00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:21,530
me

857
00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:24,470
they said they I said thousands of

858
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,820
people must take pictures of that site

859
00:35:30,070 --> 00:35:27,440
oh no don't know but they ran your plate

860
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:30,080
and they realized that you write about

861
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:31,820
this stuff and they put two and two

862
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:33,110
together they thought that you were

863
00:35:35,950 --> 00:35:34,430
trying to take pictures of the license

864
00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:35,960
plates and then bother people who worked

865
00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:38,120
at the base I said I had no such and

866
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:39,560
plus I have a rental cars to make any

867
00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:40,010
difference

868
00:35:44,050 --> 00:35:42,200
you know they know who rents it so that

869
00:35:45,850 --> 00:35:44,060
was supposedly what it was all about it

870
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:45,860
happens rather frequently she said

871
00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:47,810
really they said had you been off the

872
00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:49,670
road toward the base they would have

873
00:35:53,830 --> 00:35:51,590
pulled you out of the vehicle 45

874
00:35:56,890 --> 00:35:53,840
automatic to the head somewhere out of

875
00:35:59,110 --> 00:35:56,900
back to the head impound the vehicle 24

876
00:36:01,240 --> 00:35:59,120
hours maybe in jail and scared you to

877
00:36:04,810 --> 00:36:01,250
death and that would had you been in the

878
00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:04,820
security zone so I mean now I wonder I

879
00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:06,860
mean what the hey is really going on

880
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:09,020
there that is really something going

881
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:11,930
back to the Phoenix lights Carl and the

882
00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:14,570
chat rightz weird why there was not a

883
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:17,390
great deal of convincing footage photos

884
00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:19,190
and video after the Phoenix lights I

885
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:21,230
agree I agree too you know what I saw -

886
00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:24,530
and one of the the principles and this

887
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:26,660
thing sent me this and that was actually

888
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:29,450
footage of an airplane like a cesta I

889
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:30,770
couldn't tell in the dark a Cessna or

890
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:34,280
Piper with a triangle of lights under it

891
00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:37,580
flying which isn't even legal yeah yeah

892
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:38,780
did you see that

893
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:42,310
no no yeah yeah yeah I don't know I

894
00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:46,310
think she sent it to me by mistake

895
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:48,230
you know I mean that kind of really

896
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:49,850
really made me wonder on the other hand

897
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:51,890
I mean people did see these this line of

898
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:55,190
lights and what I saw was no you know

899
00:37:00,340 --> 00:36:58,070
small plane and of course because I was

900
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:00,350
seeing it from above so that's that's

901
00:37:07,570 --> 00:37:03,650
kind of odd because normally you would

902
00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:07,580
think a craft like they described it

903
00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:09,830
sounded like it had like these sort of

904
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:13,640
amber orange lights on the underside but

905
00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:14,990
you're saying you actually saw them from

906
00:37:19,150 --> 00:37:17,120
above if that's what it was they were

907
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:19,160
white they were white yeah and the

908
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:20,330
station again

909
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:23,030
now this is going flying buying a

910
00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:24,560
commercial aircraft but this was

911
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:27,740
memorable enough for you to think yeah

912
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:29,450
because I'm a real skeptic about this

913
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:31,850
stuff and I just thought you know I and

914
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:33,650
sure enough if I hadn't gotten to San

915
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:35,450
Diego the next day and found that they'd

916
00:37:39,850 --> 00:37:36,890
see the report that they'd seen the

917
00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:39,860
lights the night before I might have

918
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:41,720
been more skeptical but this was very

919
00:37:46,060 --> 00:37:44,780
odd for any kind of aircraft or any kind

920
00:37:49,630 --> 00:37:46,070
of operator and as far as I know there

921
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:49,640
was nothing you know under that area in

922
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:51,110
the desert and you would have been able

923
00:37:56,260 --> 00:37:54,230
to see them from the city so I mean as a

924
00:38:00,040 --> 00:37:56,270
person who was I don't consider myself a

925
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:00,050
UFO expert as such I this really struck

926
00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:02,510
me is something something remarkable Wow

927
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:06,680
yeah that that is really great let's see

928
00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:08,810
so we're taking questions in the chat

929
00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:11,590
room if anyone wants to post them there

930
00:38:16,660 --> 00:38:14,060
one of the topics I wanted to talk about

931
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:16,670
you know you were in the seminary I

932
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:19,640
wanted to talk about and not make the

933
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:22,370
whole show a theme about it but just

934
00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:27,230
talk about religion versus UFOs well I

935
00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:29,390
get that a lot and I didn't realize

936
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:30,740
people were so interested in that

937
00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:31,970
subject but I guess there aren't too

938
00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:33,500
many people in the paranormal field who

939
00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:34,790
actually have a form of theological

940
00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:37,430
education one of one of the the

941
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:39,320
drawbacks of that on our show is that

942
00:38:45,010 --> 00:38:41,810
everybody blames me for not espousing

943
00:38:49,090 --> 00:38:45,020
their religious beliefs you know because

944
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,100
I come a long way from what I guess I

945
00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:51,680
learned in the seminary however there is

946
00:38:58,270 --> 00:38:55,790
a core of ancient tradition that is

947
00:39:01,600 --> 00:38:58,280
rather telling I think if you for

948
00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:01,610
example read Genesis in the original

949
00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:04,070
Hebrew and which is difficult because

950
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:08,150
ancient Hebrew had no vowels and it also

951
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:09,950
had no spaces between the words I mean

952
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:13,490
modern Hebrew as ball marks but but it

953
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:15,650
says al awful lot of awfully strange

954
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:18,890
things and if you read the otra ha cease

955
00:39:21,970 --> 00:39:20,810
of the Akkadian Empire which most people

956
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:21,980
have never heard of it was the first

957
00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:24,830
known Empire and also the car saw epics

958
00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:27,830
of the Sumerians they parallel the

959
00:39:34,099 --> 00:39:31,700
Genesis account of creation and looking

960
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,109
at it from the Mon IIIi don't read

961
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:36,480
Syriac arranged at Babylonian but but I

962
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:38,910
get by in Hebrew but I wouldn't studied

963
00:39:44,479 --> 00:39:40,380
Hebrew specifically so I could read

964
00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:44,489
Genesis it it says things that it

965
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:46,950
doesn't say in English and one wonders

966
00:39:53,749 --> 00:39:51,200
certainly for a for example the first

967
00:39:55,339 --> 00:39:53,759
verse of the Bible essentially of the

968
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:55,349
book of Genesis is in the beginning God

969
00:39:59,779 --> 00:39:57,049
created the heavens and the earth

970
00:40:02,450 --> 00:39:59,789
some say heaven and heaven in the earth

971
00:40:05,509 --> 00:40:02,460
but if you read it a certain way in

972
00:40:08,509 --> 00:40:05,519
Hebrew it can say when it began The

973
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:08,519
Shining ones stood upon the heights and

974
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:09,960
looked down upon the highlands of the

975
00:40:16,009 --> 00:40:13,049
lowlands The Shining ones the word

976
00:40:19,180 --> 00:40:16,019
Elohim is the oldest word in the Bible

977
00:40:21,979 --> 00:40:19,190
used for God it's also used by other

978
00:40:24,769 --> 00:40:21,989
Semitic peoples in that area it's the

979
00:40:27,979 --> 00:40:24,779
weirdest word in any Semitic language it

980
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:27,989
is it is the it has a feminine root with

981
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:30,210
a masculine plural ending there's no

982
00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:32,450
other word like it what is that about

983
00:40:39,289 --> 00:40:35,849
it's certainly plural so who were the

984
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:39,299
shining ones you know and we could do 10

985
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:41,910
shows just just on that subject so you

986
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:46,200
wonder if religion maybe at least the

987
00:40:52,789 --> 00:40:48,980
religion of our mowed ancestors was not

988
00:40:54,529 --> 00:40:52,799
essentially a sparked by experiences of

989
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:54,539
beings they thought were supernatural

990
00:41:02,509 --> 00:40:58,859
beings this is not a new idea however it

991
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:02,519
may be this may give it a more more of a

992
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:05,579
basis because people obviously thought

993
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:06,329
they were dealing with something

994
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:09,450
supernatural in a way Martin I think the

995
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:12,599
the paranormal is the mother of religion

996
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:15,720
and science because had there been no

997
00:41:19,549 --> 00:41:17,249
one answered questions had there been no

998
00:41:21,859 --> 00:41:19,559
mysteries to be solved we would probably

999
00:41:23,989 --> 00:41:21,869
have neither religion nor science and

1000
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:23,999
which of course brings us to the point

1001
00:41:30,739 --> 00:41:27,390
that in fact this war between science

1002
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:30,749
and religion is largely a myth it never

1003
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:33,690
happened until really the 19th century

1004
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,089
and the and the the advent in the west

1005
00:41:42,289 --> 00:41:39,599
of the literalist fundamentalist

1006
00:41:45,319 --> 00:41:42,299
Christian point of view which took the

1007
00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:45,329
Bible you know as more literally that

1008
00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:46,060
than anybody

1009
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:48,550
had ever done before as far as

1010
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:51,130
scientific points were concerned so I

1011
00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:52,870
mean this is another issue but I think

1012
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:56,140
that ancient I have got ancient

1013
00:42:02,190 --> 00:41:58,450
astronauts if they were that ancient

1014
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:02,200
travelers from other dimensions or

1015
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:05,650
worlds and maybe partially responsible

1016
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:07,210
for this so the funny one of the funny

1017
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:10,090
things is that in the human genome when

1018
00:42:16,770 --> 00:42:12,550
that was finally mapped in 2004 there

1019
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:16,780
were 224 223 genes that shouldn't be

1020
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,630
there if evolution as we understand that

1021
00:42:23,370 --> 00:42:20,800
is correct

1022
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:23,380
where did they come from biologists

1023
00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:25,030
always want to have an answer so they

1024
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:28,660
they they postulate a quote horizontal

1025
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,170
transfer from bacteria unquote I don't

1026
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:34,240
understand that if you do I mean please

1027
00:42:39,570 --> 00:42:37,390
say so much so there are all these very

1028
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:39,580
very odd things that happen one of the

1029
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:41,710
things that may be telling is that were

1030
00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:45,430
these actually alien beings and if they

1031
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:50,620
did mess with our general they must have

1032
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:53,560
had well I tell ya in in the car saga

1033
00:42:59,850 --> 00:42:55,480
epochs and an in-car suck the mother

1034
00:43:03,810 --> 00:42:59,860
goddess takes blood and saliva which are

1035
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,820
what primary DNA sources and they use

1036
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,780
them to breed or to affect the native

1037
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:09,280
beings peoples that presumably our

1038
00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:11,650
remote ancestors we're very very

1039
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:13,960
primitive in order to make them I

1040
00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:17,290
suppose you could argue a slave race so

1041
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:18,700
this this I'm not saying this what it

1042
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:21,310
was but it sure looks like it so if

1043
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:23,110
we're dealing with with and these are

1044
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:25,270
documents that have roots five to six

1045
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,470
thousand years ago and they're talking

1046
00:43:32,250 --> 00:43:28,480
about what essentially is a DNA

1047
00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:32,260
experiment of some kind so if their DNA

1048
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:34,630
they took DNA from the themselves from

1049
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:36,070
the blood and saliva of their own people

1050
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:39,130
if that was the case then they their

1051
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:41,290
people must not have been different from

1052
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,170
us really at all unless they had

1053
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:46,720
fantastic technology for gene splitting

1054
00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:49,030
they would have had to be essentially

1055
00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:51,700
human so are we dealing with aliens from

1056
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:54,340
another planet aliens from another time

1057
00:43:58,140 --> 00:43:56,710
whatever that may mean and and any

1058
00:43:58,510 --> 00:43:58,150
scientist it works with that will tell

1059
00:44:05,470 --> 00:43:58,520
you

1060
00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:05,480
sideways does any of that have any kind

1061
00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:07,700
of meaning for our very very narrow

1062
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:11,600
paradigm so have you told me well so

1063
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:13,490
these genomes is that what you said

1064
00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:15,410
there was the human genome it was

1065
00:44:21,850 --> 00:44:18,580
finally mapped in 2004 that within there

1066
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:21,860
242 123 genes that shouldn't be there

1067
00:44:27,460 --> 00:44:25,190
and and their explanation is a bacterial

1068
00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:27,470
transfer it sounds that's one

1069
00:44:30,970 --> 00:44:29,030
explanation from bio that's one

1070
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:30,980
explanation so are they still trying to

1071
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:33,380
find out any other explanation as far as

1072
00:44:37,060 --> 00:44:35,810
well they're that well they are but a

1073
00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:37,070
lot of the the work is not being

1074
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:39,860
publicized much like the work at CERN

1075
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:41,930
the Large Hadron Collider it's not being

1076
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,240
publicized the essentially the the

1077
00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:49,040
missing genes I should say the extra

1078
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:51,580
genes have to do mostly with the brain

1079
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:55,240
which is interesting and so that's

1080
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,850
there's really no solid information that

1081
00:45:03,550 --> 00:45:01,040
I've seen and I keep looking for this

1082
00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:03,560
because that's it's extremely important

1083
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:05,240
I think it's kind of like the dark

1084
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:08,540
matter of genes in a way well in effect

1085
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,130
well they and that's it I mean

1086
00:45:16,090 --> 00:45:12,560
essentially as theories like dark matter

1087
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:16,100
are postulated by physicists or

1088
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:18,290
geneticists in this case and used to

1089
00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:19,910
plug holes in the knowledge and they

1090
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:21,980
hope eventually to prove it which is

1091
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:23,470
which is what that's a scientific

1092
00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:26,990
legitimate scientific method to to use

1093
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:29,240
yeah like a place card in a way in a

1094
00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:31,370
sense yeah and sometimes usually it'll

1095
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:32,840
come about sometimes not and they have

1096
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:34,790
to think of some other stuff yeah right

1097
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:37,520
right a couple questions says in the

1098
00:45:48,220 --> 00:45:44,480
chatroom Whelan wants to know are let's

1099
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:48,230
see do you think that UFOs are more

1100
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:51,610
paranormal as opposed to alien beings

1101
00:45:55,930 --> 00:45:54,010
well it depends what you mean by

1102
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:55,940
paranormal and it depends what you mean

1103
00:45:59,980 --> 00:45:58,250
by hilly and beings as I said in this in

1104
00:46:02,640 --> 00:45:59,990
this house these these poltergeists that

1105
00:46:05,290 --> 00:46:02,650
were supposed to be demons I just wear a

1106
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:05,300
lethally other alien beings and they

1107
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:07,070
seem to be physical

1108
00:46:12,609 --> 00:46:10,490
as far as yeah paranormal I think what

1109
00:46:15,219 --> 00:46:12,619
would embrace

1110
00:46:18,429 --> 00:46:15,229
the UFO realm I think the term

1111
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:18,439
paranormal is misnomer I mean paranormal

1112
00:46:22,179 --> 00:46:20,329
is it's entirely normal it may be

1113
00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:22,189
perhaps what our good friend Mark

1114
00:46:26,109 --> 00:46:25,009
Dantonio calls undiscovered science on

1115
00:46:28,929 --> 00:46:26,119
the other hand that may be outside

1116
00:46:30,429 --> 00:46:28,939
science our science remember is based

1117
00:46:33,609 --> 00:46:30,439
essentially on the scientific method

1118
00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:33,619
which assumes and this is a word I hate

1119
00:46:39,699 --> 00:46:37,430
assume in ghost research all the way to

1120
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:39,709
UFO research all the way to science we

1121
00:46:43,929 --> 00:46:41,689
assume certain things are true and we

1122
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:43,939
really don't know that for example the

1123
00:46:48,699 --> 00:46:46,130
Assumption in mainstream science is that

1124
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:48,709
everything is material it's it's a

1125
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:50,150
philosophy known as scientific

1126
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:52,430
materialism everything is matter and

1127
00:46:55,509 --> 00:46:54,170
based on the interactions with other

1128
00:46:58,209 --> 00:46:55,519
matter and that's where our energy comes

1129
00:47:00,339 --> 00:46:58,219
in however quantum mechanics has pretty

1130
00:47:01,959 --> 00:47:00,349
much blown that out of the water but the

1131
00:47:04,539 --> 00:47:01,969
trouble with scientists are there - two

1132
00:47:06,249 --> 00:47:04,549
problems in general mainstream science

1133
00:47:09,819 --> 00:47:06,259
they don't talk to each other different

1134
00:47:11,739 --> 00:47:09,829
fields usually and there many of them

1135
00:47:13,509 --> 00:47:11,749
are far more concerned with grants and

1136
00:47:16,539 --> 00:47:13,519
tenure than they are with pushing the

1137
00:47:18,189 --> 00:47:16,549
envelope and maybe it's not fair of me

1138
00:47:19,449 --> 00:47:18,199
to say that my degree is in philosophy

1139
00:47:21,249 --> 00:47:19,459
and of course with the background of

1140
00:47:23,499 --> 00:47:21,259
theology would but it just seems that

1141
00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:23,509
this is a this is really holding all of

1142
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:26,420
us back so but yeah I think it's

1143
00:47:32,439 --> 00:47:27,410
certainly within the realm of the

1144
00:47:33,819 --> 00:47:32,449
paranormal and alien beings are - so I

1145
00:47:35,469 --> 00:47:33,829
think we have to broaden perhaps our

1146
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:35,479
understandings and be very careful of

1147
00:47:39,789 --> 00:47:37,130
the labels we put on things you know

1148
00:47:42,209 --> 00:47:39,799
Martin I've always thought very often in

1149
00:47:45,609 --> 00:47:42,219
in the field of whether it be ghosts or

1150
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,619
UFOs or whatever the the nature of the

1151
00:47:48,969 --> 00:47:47,599
experience depends on what labeled we

1152
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:48,979
put on it and that depends on the

1153
00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:52,130
context of the experience for example if

1154
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:53,630
you're sitting in your living room and a

1155
00:47:58,359 --> 00:47:57,170
wispy figure floats by aha a ghost but

1156
00:48:00,459 --> 00:47:58,369
if you're out in the field there's a

1157
00:48:03,939 --> 00:48:00,469
wispy figure with a ball of light over a

1158
00:48:06,189 --> 00:48:03,949
ha an alien or at least a UFO and I

1159
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:06,199
think the narrowness of our own point of

1160
00:48:10,569 --> 00:48:08,209
view may be our own shooting ourselves

1161
00:48:12,609 --> 00:48:10,579
in the foot when it comes to a broader

1162
00:48:14,169 --> 00:48:12,619
understanding of what these are but so I

1163
00:48:16,689 --> 00:48:14,179
guess it's a big yes to all everything

1164
00:48:19,179 --> 00:48:16,699
that waitwhat brings up yeah well I

1165
00:48:22,959 --> 00:48:19,189
understand what you're saying there do

1166
00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:22,969
you give credence to a to the UFO crypto

1167
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:25,700
connection that's from just banter and

1168
00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:27,770
chat that's funny I just just gave a

1169
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,560
lecture on that but then and I did at

1170
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:32,000
the New England the Greater New England

1171
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:35,030
UFO conference and Leominster mass that

1172
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:37,730
the title lecture was the fur flies

1173
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:41,930
question mark Bigfoot and UFOs there are

1174
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:45,470
a couple of zany cases that have been

1175
00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:47,630
reported I think particularly one in

1176
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:51,080
France at 1973 and there's a northern in

1177
00:48:56,410 --> 00:48:53,630
the norm of the area as winter and a

1178
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:56,420
couple was well parking as we used to

1179
00:49:00,580 --> 00:48:58,130
say in my day out at the edge of the

1180
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:00,590
village there and a craft the shaped

1181
00:49:05,770 --> 00:49:02,930
like an egg kind of came down landed in

1182
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:05,780
this field and out gets to you you know

1183
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:08,570
your garden-variety grey aliens that you

1184
00:49:13,060 --> 00:49:11,090
would expect then I'll get two of the

1185
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:13,070
old used to be called the Nordics maybe

1186
00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:14,150
they still are I don't know though that

1187
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:16,460
taller sort of blonde here and then out

1188
00:49:20,770 --> 00:49:17,810
get something that looks an awful lot

1189
00:49:23,110 --> 00:49:20,780
like dear old Bigfoot and who stands

1190
00:49:24,070 --> 00:49:23,120
next to the craft the whole time while

1191
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:24,080
the others are doing what they were

1192
00:49:29,350 --> 00:49:27,650
doing the the trying some of the

1193
00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:29,360
triangle or flat buried cases we

1194
00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:31,580
investigate almost all of them have

1195
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:33,830
involved Bigfoot and particularly the

1196
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:36,410
one in Pennsylvania we have neighborhood

1197
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:38,090
meetings I have my own Bigfoot

1198
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:40,190
experience there while I was looking for

1199
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:41,630
strange lights in the sky which is what

1200
00:49:45,610 --> 00:49:43,910
I was expecting after 47 years you'd

1201
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:45,620
think I'd know yeah things never

1202
00:49:49,540 --> 00:49:47,870
happened the way you expect them to but

1203
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:49,550
these neighborhood meetings we bring in

1204
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:52,760
up to 20 families every single person in

1205
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,290
the area has had a Bigfoot experience

1206
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,240
and has seen strange lights in the sky

1207
00:50:01,450 --> 00:49:58,400
and the question are these alien craft

1208
00:50:03,850 --> 00:50:01,460
are they living creatures of some kind

1209
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:03,860
we suspect that many of the orbs as

1210
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:04,910
they're called that appear in

1211
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:07,490
photographs particularly from digital

1212
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:10,730
media may be living plasma-based life

1213
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:12,650
form something about which Carl Sagan

1214
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:15,710
speculated things not based on carbon as

1215
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,630
we are but but plasma and this sort of

1216
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:20,240
thing simply appearing in these areas

1217
00:50:27,310 --> 00:50:23,530
perhaps feeding around the boundaries of

1218
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:27,320
parallel worlds physicists do believe it

1219
00:50:32,860 --> 00:50:30,290
this way we'll call them brains be ra na

1220
00:50:36,010 --> 00:50:32,870
yes these these like memories like

1221
00:50:38,420 --> 00:50:36,020
member exactly and we think that the lot

1222
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:38,430
life is everywhere it's everyone

1223
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:39,780
and we think that these balls of light

1224
00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:41,220
may be feeding around these areas uh

1225
00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:42,750
like that

1226
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:44,819
our good friend Ted Phillips from

1227
00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:46,470
Missouri who investigated the great

1228
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:48,540
Marley Woods case very interesting

1229
00:50:54,799 --> 00:50:51,839
situation there believes that the the

1230
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:54,809
there's a far fewer nuts-and-bolts craft

1231
00:51:00,680 --> 00:50:57,660
as people would report in the 40s and

1232
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:00,690
way back and there are far more light

1233
00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:03,210
balls as he calls them and he believes

1234
00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:06,359
they may be probes and/or living things

1235
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:09,270
so the nature seems to be certainly

1236
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,609
changing but as far as Association

1237
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:13,200
association with Bigfoot

1238
00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:15,540
where you find strange lights you very

1239
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:18,990
often find Bigfoot another area in

1240
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:21,480
northern Massachusetts in the Leominster

1241
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:25,020
area is monster land okay and people

1242
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,460
have actually actually called it that

1243
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:28,380
for some time and a good friend Ronnie

1244
00:51:32,059 --> 00:51:29,970
LeBlanc has written a very good book on

1245
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:32,069
that called monster land even as

1246
00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:35,430
t-shirts of monster Atlanta and the kids

1247
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:37,140
would actually go out there to see

1248
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:39,510
things somebody something would throw

1249
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:41,369
things at them from the woods if they

1250
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:43,980
were too noisy and they would see all

1251
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,990
kinds of strange lights particularly

1252
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,720
orange balls of light and Ronny has made

1253
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,359
it his life's work to really record

1254
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:53,819
instances of this and where you see the

1255
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,290
orange balls of light sometimes flying

1256
00:52:00,680 --> 00:51:58,319
high in the sky and and sometimes close

1257
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:00,690
to the ground they will be Bigfoot

1258
00:52:04,339 --> 00:52:02,970
usually in his opinion so it's yeah they

1259
00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:04,349
certainly does seem to be a connection

1260
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:07,380
regardless of how you interpret what the

1261
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:09,690
lights may be now what are the things

1262
00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:12,599
you going back to the brains that you

1263
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:17,540
know the multiple universes the theories

1264
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:20,280
the one thing that I don't get in that

1265
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:23,099
they say that okay like in this world

1266
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:24,930
you picked up a cup of coffee in that

1267
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:27,450
world you didn't and you know all these

1268
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,250
different things happen but so you have

1269
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:34,319
to just follow me for just a second so

1270
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:37,770
what I don't get is why would that be

1271
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:40,950
like that I don't understand and if so

1272
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:44,220
then does that mean when you were

1273
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:48,059
conceived that you know another universe

1274
00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:50,010
you weren't conceived and if so you know

1275
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:51,830
I mean why all the variable

1276
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,450
it's one of the hardest things to get

1277
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:55,520
your head around I think certainly but

1278
00:52:59,590 --> 00:52:56,930
this in a way brings us right back to

1279
00:53:02,170 --> 00:52:59,600
theology in a strange now everybody

1280
00:53:04,540 --> 00:53:02,180
blames go okay well up my cat died so I

1281
00:53:07,630 --> 00:53:04,550
hate God you know that everybody you

1282
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:07,640
know they have a very narrow view of God

1283
00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:09,650
just like they do everything else but

1284
00:53:14,290 --> 00:53:12,260
just just for the fun of it I mean you

1285
00:53:17,590 --> 00:53:14,300
could look at this whole multiverse idea

1286
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:17,600
and what is of one of the principles

1287
00:53:22,180 --> 00:53:19,430
that is believed by many physicists when

1288
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:22,190
it comes to the multiverse that it's not

1289
00:53:27,450 --> 00:53:24,170
just a bunch of parallel worlds but that

1290
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:27,460
every possible possibility does exist

1291
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:29,690
somewhere or somewhere in the multiverse

1292
00:53:35,290 --> 00:53:32,540
in concrete reality and as Einstein

1293
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:35,300
proved in 1952 with relativity it's all

1294
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:37,220
simultaneous there is no past there is

1295
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:40,730
no future and the universe in which you

1296
00:53:47,050 --> 00:53:43,910
may be me and there is such a place as

1297
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:47,060
jarring is that realization maybe if

1298
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:48,680
this is correct

1299
00:53:53,350 --> 00:53:51,320
you're just as much you and I'm just as

1300
00:53:57,460 --> 00:53:53,360
much you know it's it's really rather

1301
00:54:01,060 --> 00:53:57,470
all-embracing and really quite a pan

1302
00:54:03,940 --> 00:54:01,070
human experience so if all possibilities

1303
00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:03,950
exist why aren't we aware of them well

1304
00:54:07,390 --> 00:54:05,720
if we become aware of them in our

1305
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:07,400
society where that possibility is not

1306
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,110
existent you run into the people I ran

1307
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:10,880
into in psychiatric hospitals when I was

1308
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:14,150
a student there were people who are

1309
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:16,730
judged to be schizophrenic diagnosed as

1310
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,560
such today they fill your pockets full

1311
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:20,960
of antipsychotic drugs but in those days

1312
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:22,910
I would encounter people who had the

1313
00:54:27,310 --> 00:54:25,310
most knowing look in their eyes would

1314
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:27,320
sometimes have the the dissociative

1315
00:54:30,460 --> 00:54:28,790
identity syndrome or multiple

1316
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:30,470
personalities with different voices

1317
00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:33,530
coming out of this is not physically

1318
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:34,700
possible really

1319
00:54:38,260 --> 00:54:36,800
and the doctors one of the reasons I was

1320
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:38,270
there was I had a very sympathetic

1321
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:40,370
faculty at the seminary before the one

1322
00:54:45,730 --> 00:54:42,170
that threw me out and I was working with

1323
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:45,740
a diocesan Exorcist and I believe we

1324
00:54:49,930 --> 00:54:48,290
were dealing with alien creatures I mean

1325
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:49,940
the whole demon thing just wasn't good

1326
00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:53,270
enough as far as I was concerned so but

1327
00:54:57,820 --> 00:54:55,220
I all had to do with the multiverse and

1328
00:55:00,520 --> 00:54:57,830
and various experiences and and things

1329
00:55:02,770 --> 00:55:00,530
that involved a bigger us than just just

1330
00:55:04,340 --> 00:55:02,780
right here but it is hard to get your

1331
00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:04,350
mind

1332
00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:07,240
I think you have to feel it rather than

1333
00:55:13,230 --> 00:55:10,360
grab it intellectually mark you know for

1334
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:13,240
example I love to speak in colleges

1335
00:55:17,370 --> 00:55:15,730
because they at the end of course the

1336
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:17,380
students have very intelligent questions

1337
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:19,090
usually and at the end they put me in a

1338
00:55:22,350 --> 00:55:20,830
big armchair you know Santa Claus or

1339
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,360
something and all that the young people

1340
00:55:26,220 --> 00:55:23,680
come up and they tell me their stories

1341
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:26,230
well I was at Mount Ida College outside

1342
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:29,140
Boston many years ago and I got a kick

1343
00:55:32,670 --> 00:55:30,640
out of that because half the students

1344
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:32,680
were studying to be Undertaker's all

1345
00:55:37,260 --> 00:55:33,010
right

1346
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:37,270
and so the two girls came up freshman

1347
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:39,550
girls and I'd been talking about human

1348
00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:41,140
relationships in the multiverse and they

1349
00:55:45,930 --> 00:55:43,860
said why is it that on day one

1350
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:45,940
registration day we saw each other

1351
00:55:50,130 --> 00:55:47,470
across the crowded room and we were

1352
00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:50,140
sisters from the start they felt like

1353
00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:51,580
they'd always known each other and they

1354
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:53,470
were great friends I said because if

1355
00:55:58,590 --> 00:55:55,480
this is correct then at some point in

1356
00:56:00,090 --> 00:55:58,600
the multiverse you are one another the

1357
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:00,100
laws of physics may be different or

1358
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:02,650
whatever but you are they knew precisely

1359
00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:04,690
what I was talking about and they went

1360
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:06,340
scurrying off all happy because I

1361
00:56:10,740 --> 00:56:08,260
thought that that's the explanation so

1362
00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:10,750
yeah I hope they I believe that that's

1363
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:13,480
correct and again one of the things is

1364
00:56:18,030 --> 00:56:15,850
that these universes have very different

1365
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:18,040
laws of physics very different forms of

1366
00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:20,290
life and so the idea are aliens from

1367
00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:21,790
another planet

1368
00:56:27,930 --> 00:56:25,000
may not necessarily have be meaningful

1369
00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:27,940
question they may be from another planet

1370
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:29,350
but maybe they got here through the

1371
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:31,090
multiverse or it's a planet in a

1372
00:56:35,310 --> 00:56:33,190
different reality with different laws of

1373
00:56:37,530 --> 00:56:35,320
physics I mean anything is possible

1374
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:37,540
that's the whole point of the multiverse

1375
00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:39,850
but it is tough to get your mind around

1376
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:41,560
but as far as you know dropping the

1377
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:44,110
coffee cup if if all possibilities exist

1378
00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:46,930
then you would be born in one not in the

1379
00:56:51,150 --> 00:56:49,540
other or or you died in the UFO crash

1380
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,160
thirty thousand years ago and this sort

1381
00:56:57,210 --> 00:56:52,960
of thing so what does this do with God

1382
00:56:59,370 --> 00:56:57,220
well maybe what did what do they teach

1383
00:57:00,990 --> 00:56:59,380
us in catechism class and in the

1384
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:01,000
seminary or church school sunday-school

1385
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:03,730
whatever the creation was as a result of

1386
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:07,030
God's love that could not be contained

1387
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,950
an infinite love that that had to

1388
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:10,480
express itself and that was the creation

1389
00:57:14,550 --> 00:57:12,670
well if it's an infinite love why

1390
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:14,560
wouldn't it be an infinite creation why

1391
00:57:18,190 --> 00:57:16,190
would that just be one universe one

1392
00:57:23,319 --> 00:57:18,200
what that doesn't make sense so perhaps

1393
00:57:25,089 --> 00:57:23,329
it really is a perfect creation and with

1394
00:57:27,579 --> 00:57:25,099
with all possibilities they're in

1395
00:57:28,990 --> 00:57:27,589
perfect balance and maybe it's just

1396
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,000
because it's not for our personal

1397
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:31,520
convenience that doesn't mean that God

1398
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:34,310
is dumb or it doesn't care or this sort

1399
00:57:38,410 --> 00:57:36,710
of it may be I don't know but but it's

1400
00:57:40,089 --> 00:57:38,420
just I think that there's a possibility

1401
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:40,099
that we don't consider that it really is

1402
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:41,510
a perfect creation and we just have to

1403
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:45,680
discover it yeah or it could ever be any

1404
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:48,410
way to really know myself but I want to

1405
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:50,329
be in the universe where I know how to

1406
00:57:53,859 --> 00:57:52,250
do the bowtie and you're wearing the

1407
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:53,869
regular well so do i one of our

1408
00:57:59,079 --> 00:57:55,609
producers is a critic of my bow tie

1409
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,089
tying so I tried so this by one may be

1410
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:01,520
perfect it's yeah yeah it's you have to

1411
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:05,569
be like a rocket scientist to do it so

1412
00:58:11,319 --> 00:58:07,940
we have a we have some questions in the

1413
00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:11,329
forum and here's this one let see Carrie

1414
00:58:17,260 --> 00:58:14,060
posted these if humans are still around

1415
00:58:19,809 --> 00:58:17,270
and say 1000 plus years do have an

1416
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:19,819
opinion on some of discoveries and

1417
00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:22,970
knowledge we would have about the

1418
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:25,550
universe and life beyond Earth from

1419
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,490
where we are at our present time well a

1420
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:31,359
good basic meat-and-potatoes question

1421
00:58:37,059 --> 00:58:35,089
that depends you have to qualify this

1422
00:58:38,740 --> 00:58:37,069
because you know if we blow ourselves up

1423
00:58:41,290 --> 00:58:38,750
or are blowing up by you know the

1424
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:41,300
asteroid strikers I mean which may have

1425
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:43,130
happened as much as many as four times

1426
00:58:46,809 --> 00:58:44,690
in the past according to some of the

1427
00:58:50,859 --> 00:58:46,819
indigenous peoples we've rubbed elbows

1428
00:58:53,980 --> 00:58:50,869
with then probably we might be back with

1429
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:53,990
axes and chase whatever you know with

1430
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:57,290
primitive I think we've gone from stone

1431
00:59:01,780 --> 00:58:59,210
tools to power tools as it were as many

1432
00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:01,790
as four times as they say but barring

1433
00:59:06,579 --> 00:59:05,300
that I think that perhaps just looking

1434
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:06,589
around at what's happening there seems

1435
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:10,480
to be more awareness of these

1436
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,530
interesting discoveries particularly

1437
00:59:16,329 --> 00:59:14,240
regarding physics and and this is this

1438
00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:16,339
multiverse are possible multiverse and

1439
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:18,260
the word is being spread that term it

1440
00:59:23,170 --> 00:59:20,450
would like fire tremendously by the

1441
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:23,180
internet one of the things I think that

1442
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:26,390
is is happening is that the internet is

1443
00:59:29,029 --> 00:59:28,310
bringing people together as divisive as

1444
01:00:19,039 --> 00:59:29,039
a

1445
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,049
the fly in the ointment is something we

1446
01:00:22,999 --> 01:00:20,880
haven't brought up yet and that's the

1447
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:23,009
notion of the parasites which is what I

1448
01:00:26,659 --> 01:00:25,140
think those alien creatures were in that

1449
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,669
house in bridgeport then that we rub

1450
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:28,799
elbows with a number of times including

1451
01:00:32,779 --> 01:00:30,660
during exorcisms I don't think they're

1452
01:00:34,219 --> 01:00:32,789
servants of Satan or Allah that that's

1453
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:34,229
our way of understanding them and

1454
01:00:38,299 --> 01:00:36,209
putting them in terms that we can grasp

1455
01:00:40,939 --> 01:00:38,309
I think essentially these are

1456
01:00:45,399 --> 01:00:40,949
multiversal creatures that feed that eat

1457
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:45,409
by travel and I've actually seen them

1458
01:00:49,999 --> 01:00:48,569
reaching from different worlds negative

1459
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:50,009
events and feeding on the weird as that

1460
01:00:54,019 --> 01:00:51,599
sounds

1461
01:00:55,729 --> 01:00:54,029
case in Pennsylvania there and the UFOs

1462
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,739
were seen to that there was a spike in

1463
01:00:59,149 --> 01:00:57,119
sightings maybe it had nothing to do

1464
01:01:01,819 --> 01:00:59,159
with that but I think it might you had

1465
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:01,829
an act of violence going on in one world

1466
01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:04,169
and there was almost like an octopus

1467
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,689
reaching and it was bothering people two

1468
01:01:10,429 --> 01:01:08,400
girls who were living in an apartment in

1469
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:10,439
King of Prussia Pennsylvania who or

1470
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:11,609
believed they were being haunted by a

1471
01:01:17,059 --> 01:01:13,890
demonic negative force and was actually

1472
01:01:20,149 --> 01:01:17,069
this parasite and in a third wave you

1473
01:01:22,579 --> 01:01:20,159
had a family whom the girl thought were

1474
01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:22,589
ghosts haunting them the ghosts thought

1475
01:01:26,539 --> 01:01:24,630
the girls were ghosts haunting them and

1476
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:26,549
they were both being fed upon by this

1477
01:01:32,299 --> 01:01:29,880
parasite and this is not uncommon so I

1478
01:01:34,759 --> 01:01:32,309
think that the greater understanding of

1479
01:01:37,759 --> 01:01:34,769
this may be forthcoming and in a

1480
01:01:38,779 --> 01:01:37,769
thousand years one would hope that we

1481
01:01:40,669 --> 01:01:38,789
would that go back where

1482
01:01:43,279 --> 01:01:40,679
we'd go forward intellectually and I

1483
01:01:45,370 --> 01:01:43,289
think that science will have to evolve

1484
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:45,380
including the scientific method beyond

1485
01:01:51,289 --> 01:01:49,380
the notion of matter and everything

1486
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:51,299
being material this is fraught with

1487
01:01:55,059 --> 01:01:53,160
danger as many scientists would say

1488
01:01:57,709 --> 01:01:55,069
because the discipline thinking of

1489
01:02:02,959 --> 01:01:57,719
science is very important in any pursuit

1490
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:02,969
and certainly the peer review as often

1491
01:02:08,929 --> 01:02:05,400
occurs but I think this all has to

1492
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:08,939
evolve so provided we survive in our

1493
01:02:13,309 --> 01:02:11,160
current form or more or less and we are

1494
01:02:15,979 --> 01:02:13,319
honest with ourselves I think that we

1495
01:02:18,939 --> 01:02:15,989
will understand more about and be able

1496
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:18,949
to become aware more of the multiverse

1497
01:02:24,709 --> 01:02:21,660
where we are what we're doing without

1498
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:24,719
being judged to be nuts I'm going back

1499
01:02:31,579 --> 01:02:26,130
to what we were talking about earlier

1500
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:31,589
about the genome does any part of the

1501
01:02:40,189 --> 01:02:35,849
unexplained genes that were found could

1502
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:40,199
any part of that be sort of in

1503
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:43,650
speculation of like a hybrid type of

1504
01:02:48,289 --> 01:02:46,049
situation you hear people talk about the

1505
01:02:50,179 --> 01:02:48,299
possibility of us being some type of

1506
01:02:53,179 --> 01:02:50,189
hybrid you know from way back I know

1507
01:02:56,029 --> 01:02:53,189
that's one of those quote unquote fringe

1508
01:02:58,579 --> 01:02:56,039
topics but what are your thoughts about

1509
01:03:00,739 --> 01:02:58,589
that well if you look at us

1510
01:03:02,899 --> 01:03:00,749
I've often wondered are we indigenous to

1511
01:03:05,269 --> 01:03:02,909
this planet I mean you know where we're

1512
01:03:07,849 --> 01:03:05,279
standing upright our stomach and our

1513
01:03:11,329 --> 01:03:07,859
genitals genitals are exposed we should

1514
01:03:14,569 --> 01:03:11,339
be on all fours I mean it like something

1515
01:03:16,699 --> 01:03:14,579
took us out of the main stream of

1516
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:16,709
evolution seemingly again I'm not a

1517
01:03:21,859 --> 01:03:19,650
evolutionary scientist and and made us

1518
01:03:23,979 --> 01:03:21,869
different why is it we have to wear

1519
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:23,989
clothes and live in the houses and pays

1520
01:03:29,209 --> 01:03:27,059
$400 a month to heat our homes when most

1521
01:03:30,919 --> 01:03:29,219
of our fellow creatures have fur and all

1522
01:03:33,469 --> 01:03:30,929
this stuff I mean what what got us

1523
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:33,479
beyond that so that we don't seem

1524
01:03:37,299 --> 01:03:34,650
comfortable in the natural environment

1525
01:03:40,339 --> 01:03:37,309
unless we live in Tahiti or something

1526
01:03:43,189 --> 01:03:40,349
and so what most of us couldn't afford

1527
01:03:46,399 --> 01:03:43,199
to do so these are all questions that

1528
01:03:49,969 --> 01:03:46,409
perhaps will hint at perhaps some

1529
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:49,979
interference in our history genetic

1530
01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:51,150
history particularly the missing

1531
01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:54,660
there are the extra extra genes and of

1532
01:04:00,740 --> 01:03:57,540
course again as not to rehash old

1533
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:00,750
territory but did aliens land from Zeta

1534
01:04:06,530 --> 01:04:03,270
Reticuli or whatever they call it and do

1535
01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:06,540
this or did someone stumble in or

1536
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:09,270
deliberately break through a brain from

1537
01:04:14,570 --> 01:04:11,460
a version of ourselves that's that's

1538
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:14,580
very almost identical and yet has had

1539
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:18,690
technology that would make us think they

1540
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:20,850
were gods maybe even not from another

1541
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,740
planet maybe another version of our own

1542
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:25,440
planet of course that the wars of the

1543
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:27,330
gods as has all been covered in this

1544
01:04:31,310 --> 01:04:29,220
very good shows like ancient aliens

1545
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:31,320
which my wife has taken to watching much

1546
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:34,500
to my amazement since she never liked

1547
01:04:39,110 --> 01:04:36,090
this stuff but I find it disconcerting

1548
01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:39,120
but she's expressing opinions on this

1549
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,880
now oh yeah the world is getting invaded

1550
01:04:43,850 --> 01:04:42,720
I don't have to bring rid of the

1551
01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:43,860
lectures yeah yeah

1552
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:46,350
you know you know Family Circus so in

1553
01:04:52,850 --> 01:04:50,640
any case yeah I think that Minh I call

1554
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,860
it hybrid yeah but again I'll just

1555
01:04:56,810 --> 01:04:54,720
repeat that unless they had stunning

1556
01:04:58,340 --> 01:04:56,820
technology for gene splitting they would

1557
01:05:02,360 --> 01:04:58,350
have to be virtually identical identical

1558
01:05:05,930 --> 01:05:02,370
to us to use their DNA to manipulate our

1559
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:05,940
of our DNA so yeah okay another question

1560
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:08,730
in the forum do you think the government

1561
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:10,710
will change their stance when questioned

1562
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:13,440
over UFO sightings since the Tom DeLonge

1563
01:05:20,090 --> 01:05:16,650
announcement specifically with the ex

1564
01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:20,100
CIA official Chris melon talking about

1565
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:24,630
the USS Nimitz case okay that is a

1566
01:05:33,980 --> 01:05:28,610
complex question as one who signed this

1567
01:05:36,350 --> 01:05:33,990
security oath and back in the day I have

1568
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:36,360
I'm skeptical about some of this first

1569
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:38,730
of all as far as disclosure in general

1570
01:05:41,420 --> 01:05:39,960
is concerned I tend to be a skeptic

1571
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:41,430
visit when's the last time you believe

1572
01:05:45,590 --> 01:05:44,040
they need them the government said so as

1573
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:45,600
far as if they're going to release any

1574
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:48,870
information is it true is it the whole

1575
01:05:54,110 --> 01:05:51,930
truth I mean I just call me cynical call

1576
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:54,120
me irresponsible but I just I can't

1577
01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:56,610
accept I don't think I'd really have to

1578
01:06:01,310 --> 01:05:58,890
see definite proof whatever constitutes

1579
01:06:02,810 --> 01:06:01,320
proof that what they're saying is true

1580
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,820
so I think that the whole disclosure

1581
01:06:06,220 --> 01:06:03,680
movement is

1582
01:06:09,609 --> 01:06:06,230
some degree you know with respect is to

1583
01:06:11,319 --> 01:06:09,619
some degree naive you know and of course

1584
01:06:13,390 --> 01:06:11,329
the question arises does the government

1585
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,400
really know I mean and and people don't

1586
01:06:18,250 --> 01:06:16,160
consider the corporate factor and this

1587
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:18,260
is an awful lot of money to be made and

1588
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:20,510
we've seen some evidence of that in some

1589
01:06:23,530 --> 01:06:21,710
of our flat barriers there's always

1590
01:06:24,970 --> 01:06:23,540
somebody in there who seems to be

1591
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:24,980
studying and they have guns

1592
01:06:30,010 --> 01:06:28,160
not necessarily be the military so these

1593
01:06:33,970 --> 01:06:30,020
are all questions I think have yet to be

1594
01:06:37,150 --> 01:06:33,980
answered but as far as the Nimitz case

1595
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:37,160
was concerned and people talking you're

1596
01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:40,010
still responsible for you know that

1597
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:42,500
security oath never dies you know you're

1598
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:44,450
still responsible for maintaining and

1599
01:06:49,299 --> 01:06:46,910
you're still liable to prosecution so I

1600
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:49,309
can only think that that maybe there was

1601
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:51,170
some permission here or someone behind

1602
01:06:53,980 --> 01:06:52,880
this it was a letting information out it

1603
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:53,990
was the Nimitz case

1604
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:55,970
Alejandro talked about that at the

1605
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:58,250
beginning of the show of 2004

1606
01:07:02,799 --> 01:06:59,839
you know the Tic Tac II we're following

1607
01:07:04,750 --> 01:07:02,809
all this business the first of all

1608
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:04,760
people one people have said to me well

1609
01:07:07,450 --> 01:07:05,930
how can you keep the you know you get

1610
01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:07,460
2,000 people on the crew or something

1611
01:07:11,319 --> 01:07:09,470
like that a ship the size of them it's

1612
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:11,329
how can you keep all of them quite well

1613
01:07:16,299 --> 01:07:14,690
they didn't necessarily see it a ship's

1614
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,309
crew was now standing on deck or

1615
01:07:19,420 --> 01:07:18,079
watching the scenery all the time I mean

1616
01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:19,430
there are people working in the engine

1617
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,260
rooms yeah especially on a super carry

1618
01:07:25,329 --> 01:07:23,359
you've got aircraft technicians below

1619
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:25,339
decks you've got all kinds of things

1620
01:07:30,849 --> 01:07:28,520
don't city it is mostly under deck and

1621
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,859
very few people around deck at one time

1622
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:32,960
it would have been the the personnel on

1623
01:07:36,579 --> 01:07:34,910
the bridge the officer of the deck maybe

1624
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:36,589
the captain etcetera etcetera but it

1625
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:37,760
wouldn't be that many people who would

1626
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:39,770
have seen anything even four hours at a

1627
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:42,470
time because there there are certain

1628
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:44,030
pipes or commands that are given you

1629
01:07:47,859 --> 01:07:46,130
know you that stay off the weather decks

1630
01:07:49,870 --> 01:07:47,869
is that people don't always don't go out

1631
01:07:52,690 --> 01:07:49,880
usually because of weather but not

1632
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:52,700
always is something else going on so I

1633
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,690
don't think that would have been that

1634
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:56,000
many people who would have seen it let

1635
01:07:59,380 --> 01:07:57,920
alone photographed at the CIC or the

1636
01:08:03,000 --> 01:07:59,390
combat Information Center which is a

1637
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:03,010
very D of a significant classified area

1638
01:08:11,410 --> 01:08:07,369
would have recorded it in some way so I

1639
01:08:12,970 --> 01:08:11,420
think that III don't know I'm not really

1640
01:08:15,010 --> 01:08:12,980
the long thing I'm a little bit

1641
01:08:17,169 --> 01:08:15,020
suspicious about it but I'm suspicious

1642
01:08:19,539 --> 01:08:17,179
of everything I don't know tom

1643
01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:19,549
I know you know I'm not really connected

1644
01:08:24,489 --> 01:08:20,630
with what's happening but I just

1645
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:24,499
I'm skeptical about what it's for who

1646
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,329
has permission to do what and what they

1647
01:08:30,099 --> 01:08:28,400
what they actually know and course

1648
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,109
they've been asking for money which is I

1649
01:08:34,419 --> 01:08:32,239
find interesting as well so there's a

1650
01:08:37,899 --> 01:08:34,429
lot of people talking about that in

1651
01:08:43,870 --> 01:08:37,909
particular and I think you know there

1652
01:08:45,309 --> 01:08:43,880
what it they're looking to do different

1653
01:08:49,419 --> 01:08:45,319
things I don't know if you followed the

1654
01:08:53,649 --> 01:08:49,429
whole thing they're looking to try to

1655
01:08:57,759 --> 01:08:53,659
work on some type of advanced craft only

1656
01:09:00,759 --> 01:08:57,769
from what has been observed which i

1657
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:00,769
think is way out there personally so I

1658
01:09:06,489 --> 01:09:03,199
don't know if it's truly a non-profit I

1659
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,499
know Tom DeLonge with as many millions

1660
01:09:11,049 --> 01:09:08,719
doesn't really need to raise money hmm

1661
01:09:12,849 --> 01:09:11,059
particularly for himself you know so I

1662
01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:12,859
don't know exactly what the funding is

1663
01:09:15,789 --> 01:09:14,150
for it would be nice if there are a

1664
01:09:17,769 --> 01:09:15,799
little more transparent about that far

1665
01:09:20,379 --> 01:09:17,779
well my prime concern to even be on that

1666
01:09:21,939 --> 01:09:20,389
is are they going to push the envelope

1667
01:09:24,370 --> 01:09:21,949
as far as our our terms

1668
01:09:26,109 --> 01:09:24,380
and and our narrow paradigm is concerned

1669
01:09:29,109 --> 01:09:26,119
as we've discussed at length on the show

1670
01:09:31,329 --> 01:09:29,119
here today tonight is it is it a matter

1671
01:09:34,059 --> 01:09:31,339
of yeah they're going to have the same

1672
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:34,069
old tired approach which is going to get

1673
01:09:38,669 --> 01:09:35,449
us nowhere or are they going to think

1674
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:38,679
new thoughts and get into some some

1675
01:09:42,910 --> 01:09:41,209
territory that's usually not not dealt

1676
01:09:43,539 --> 01:09:42,920
with as far as explanations and this

1677
01:09:45,999 --> 01:09:43,549
sort of thing

1678
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:46,009
so I'm gonna post this question up if

1679
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:47,449
you can go ahead and read that because I

1680
01:09:51,249 --> 01:09:49,369
have no idea what he's saying what does

1681
01:09:53,559 --> 01:09:51,259
Paul think of antediluvian or

1682
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:53,569
pre-adamite theory what are your

1683
01:10:00,489 --> 01:09:57,110
thoughts on parts i well antediluvian

1684
01:10:05,259 --> 01:10:00,499
means before the flood so this may be a

1685
01:10:11,020 --> 01:10:05,269
biblical question okay pre-adamite

1686
01:10:13,929 --> 01:10:11,030
theory uh that well you know you said

1687
01:10:16,810 --> 01:10:13,939
that you what Martin watch the the show

1688
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:16,820
we did we did a live show from the panel

1689
01:10:21,790 --> 01:10:18,530
at the Exeter UFO festival in New

1690
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:21,800
Hampshire in September and one of the

1691
01:10:24,549 --> 01:10:23,570
audience members stood up and said

1692
01:10:27,129 --> 01:10:24,559
something

1693
01:10:29,470 --> 01:10:27,139
the world being 6,000 years old and this

1694
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:29,480
sort of thing and flat and black mouse

1695
01:10:36,459 --> 01:10:33,710
at the same time and so it was Peter

1696
01:10:38,649 --> 01:10:36,469
Robbins and actually it was Richard

1697
01:10:43,569 --> 01:10:38,659
Dolman who kind of dealt with that which

1698
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:43,579
was black is I mean there's and there's

1699
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:45,170
I don't know I don't want to get into

1700
01:10:51,209 --> 01:10:47,329
the biblical interpretation here but

1701
01:10:56,049 --> 01:10:51,219
there's really nowhere that it says that

1702
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:56,059
nobody in the ancient church interpreted

1703
01:11:00,220 --> 01:10:58,010
that really that well that they did to a

1704
01:11:02,649 --> 01:11:00,230
certain point but and here's where we

1705
01:11:04,990 --> 01:11:02,659
get into religion versus science the

1706
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:05,000
church and of course when you say the

1707
01:11:07,839 --> 01:11:06,710
church it could be any one of twenty

1708
01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:07,849
thousand groups and that's no

1709
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:09,380
exaggeration there are literally twenty

1710
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:11,570
thousand Christian groups that say they

1711
01:11:16,209 --> 01:11:14,329
follow the Bible they all the different

1712
01:11:17,890 --> 01:11:16,219
interpretations you have the more

1713
01:11:19,899 --> 01:11:17,900
traditional people of the book you have

1714
01:11:22,270 --> 01:11:19,909
the the Roman Catholic and Eastern

1715
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:22,280
Orthodox Christians and then the

1716
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:24,289
Anglicans and the garden-variety

1717
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:25,760
Protestants and that and then the

1718
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:28,130
evangelical Protestants the oldest

1719
01:11:32,910 --> 01:11:31,250
really is the Eastern Orthodox Church

1720
01:11:36,220 --> 01:11:32,920
which very few people know much about

1721
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,230
but people say oh that's always you know

1722
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:38,239
it's a pagan istic and well these are

1723
01:11:41,950 --> 01:11:40,010
these are the Greeks who heard the

1724
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:41,960
gospel right out of the mouth of st.

1725
01:11:47,229 --> 01:11:45,380
Paul so I mean I think I think that cuts

1726
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:47,239
a little ice and has gives them quite a

1727
01:11:51,850 --> 01:11:48,650
pedigree

1728
01:11:53,589 --> 01:11:51,860
they were very open-minded to new ideas

1729
01:11:55,540 --> 01:11:53,599
about what happened before the flood

1730
01:11:58,930 --> 01:11:55,550
giveth a lot of Noah

1731
01:12:01,419 --> 01:11:58,940
they were very open-minded about the

1732
01:12:03,220 --> 01:12:01,429
idea of what happened in in paradise and

1733
01:12:04,689 --> 01:12:03,230
of course if you look at Genesis it

1734
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,699
indicates there were more people around

1735
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:06,800
at the time if you look at the second

1736
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:09,110
chapter because you know obviously you

1737
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:12,050
know who Abel married someone and it

1738
01:12:15,939 --> 01:12:13,250
says there were uh you know went to the

1739
01:12:18,939 --> 01:12:15,949
land of the so and so as an almost and I

1740
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,949
think these are you really going to trip

1741
01:12:23,709 --> 01:12:20,719
yourself up if you worry about this kind

1742
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:23,719
of thing the church traditionally from

1743
01:12:28,089 --> 01:12:25,489
all of its traditions has always been

1744
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:28,099
open minded to science the Vatican that

1745
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:30,710
did not burn Galileo at the stake he was

1746
01:12:35,109 --> 01:12:33,110
respected as a scientist most of the

1747
01:12:37,089 --> 01:12:35,119
trouble these people had was political

1748
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:37,099
you did have the Spanish Inquisition

1749
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:38,239
which was a very

1750
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,320
what unit sort of blood well it wasn't

1751
01:12:45,250 --> 01:12:43,760
quite as blood-soaked as you have it but

1752
01:12:46,690 --> 01:12:45,260
it was very unfortunate there was an

1753
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:46,700
awful lot of terrible things that went

1754
01:12:51,940 --> 01:12:49,070
on the Orthodox were never involved and

1755
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:51,950
anything like that the Orthodox and the

1756
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:54,320
Muslims are probably two of the most

1757
01:13:00,729 --> 01:12:58,130
open-minded scientific groups from any

1758
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:00,739
period in history and so you know I'm

1759
01:13:03,340 --> 01:13:02,090
not going to make excuses for the Roman

1760
01:13:06,220 --> 01:13:03,350
Catholics or anybody else or the

1761
01:13:07,450 --> 01:13:06,230
Protestants too but I think that you

1762
01:13:10,450 --> 01:13:07,460
can't get the right answer if you ask

1763
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,460
the wrong question and I think we need

1764
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:12,080
to be open-minded just as if you're

1765
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:13,280
going to be a Christian needed to be

1766
01:13:17,530 --> 01:13:14,930
open-minded just as the early church

1767
01:13:20,110 --> 01:13:17,540
fathers were so that's the best that guy

1768
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:20,120
yeah there's a question that just popped

1769
01:13:25,330 --> 01:13:23,510
up here quote the Scriptures your

1770
01:13:27,340 --> 01:13:25,340
reference please as I see I'm not going

1771
01:13:28,690 --> 01:13:27,350
to do that because here we go we're

1772
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:28,700
going to get bogged down and this says

1773
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,050
somehow it doesn't happen on my show

1774
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:32,719
Martin you know people blaming me for

1775
01:13:39,190 --> 01:13:34,310
not espousing their own religious

1776
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:39,200
beliefs if you read for example one one

1777
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:42,320
for you Gospel of Matthew and it says

1778
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,650
it's probably the most misinterpreted

1779
01:13:49,209 --> 01:13:47,360
passage in the whole New Testament love

1780
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:49,219
your neighbor as yourself you know what

1781
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:51,530
it says in Greek the word sweatin is in

1782
01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:51,920
there

1783
01:13:58,240 --> 01:13:54,070
love your neighbor because he is

1784
01:14:00,880 --> 01:13:58,250
yourself now isn't that different so I

1785
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:00,890
mean you know go learn Greek we didn't

1786
01:14:04,270 --> 01:14:02,930
Greek or read the Old Testament in

1787
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:04,280
Hebrew I could of course mark the Gospel

1788
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:06,710
of Mark is written in Aramaic so you

1789
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:08,450
know well I'm not gonna get into a duel

1790
01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:10,610
over this yeah yeah no problem

1791
01:14:16,959 --> 01:14:14,440
so Celeste wrote this to me actually and

1792
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:16,969
so this goes back to the Tom DeLonge

1793
01:14:22,690 --> 01:14:18,890
thing we were talking about Martin if

1794
01:14:25,959 --> 01:14:22,700
you read the 63 page Investor document

1795
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:25,969
on to the Stars website there's a lot of

1796
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,120
information so Thank You Celeste so

1797
01:14:35,290 --> 01:14:31,760
anyone that listens to that that heard

1798
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:35,300
our earlier comment about Tom DeLonge it

1799
01:14:40,150 --> 01:14:37,130
seems to be Tom DeLonge seems to be in

1800
01:14:41,770 --> 01:14:40,160
the news a lot in the UFO field it seems

1801
01:14:44,770 --> 01:14:41,780
like everybody's talking about that

1802
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:44,780
whole situation

1803
01:14:48,589 --> 01:14:47,090
I know you do other things but have you

1804
01:14:50,990 --> 01:14:48,599
followed any of that at all

1805
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:51,000
yeah followed it's relatively recent as

1806
01:14:54,260 --> 01:14:52,710
I say I don't know a lot about I don't

1807
01:14:57,859 --> 01:14:54,270
know him I don't know a lot about it I

1808
01:15:00,589 --> 01:14:57,869
just you know from past experience with

1809
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:00,599
with groups like this I just I wonder

1810
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:03,570
what it's really about I am it's not up

1811
01:15:08,030 --> 01:15:05,250
to me to question his sincerity I have

1812
01:15:09,310 --> 01:15:08,040
no reason to do that I just you know

1813
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:09,320
there are a lot of questions that

1814
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:12,420
hopefully will be answered as as this as

1815
01:15:21,020 --> 01:15:17,730
this project matures the thing again

1816
01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:21,030
with the the security clearances if

1817
01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:22,679
there are a lot of people involved who

1818
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:26,520
had clearances I I'm skeptical in a way

1819
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:28,530
unless they have permission from someone

1820
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:33,270
high up and that's not easy to get to to

1821
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:35,670
declare to have to use Declassified

1822
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:36,810
whether you don't any depression these

1823
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:39,570
Declassified information but I just it

1824
01:15:43,129 --> 01:15:41,489
seems to be kind of a muddle maybe it's

1825
01:15:45,979 --> 01:15:43,139
just me I just don't understand it

1826
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,989
properly but again that security oath

1827
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:48,239
stays with you for your whole life and

1828
01:15:53,450 --> 01:15:50,310
if people are just sort of coming

1829
01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:53,460
forward they're taking a big risk of

1830
01:15:57,250 --> 01:15:55,260
course today maybe things have changed I

1831
01:16:00,410 --> 01:15:57,260
don't know yeah I would think so I was

1832
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:00,420
there was one in particular that was

1833
01:16:05,660 --> 01:16:03,360
saying that he studied UFOs you know

1834
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:05,670
which is pretty amazing

1835
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:07,770
since the Air Force supposedly got out

1836
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:09,960
of that you know back in the 70s

1837
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:14,159
mm-hmm so yeah that I can understand you

1838
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:16,170
know what type of trouble he'd be in for

1839
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:17,730
talk about that well one of the things

1840
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:20,040
that's confusing is that projects are

1841
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:23,130
often renamed maybe a project Stargate

1842
01:16:27,229 --> 01:16:24,750
that started on the 60s you know to

1843
01:16:28,819 --> 01:16:27,239
mimic the Soviet program to work with

1844
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:28,829
psychics and you know people say oh all

1845
01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:30,210
it ended of the nineties well we don't

1846
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:31,380
know that I mean I've had a different

1847
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:35,130
name as the project Bluebook a Stanton

1848
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:36,510
Friedman will tell you there was a PR

1849
01:16:42,530 --> 01:16:40,320
exercise essentially so I mean it's just

1850
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:42,540
keep them guessing keep them looking the

1851
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:44,369
other way that's how it works yeah

1852
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:47,550
all right here's this question here how

1853
01:16:52,250 --> 01:16:50,010
come the leakers never leaked anything

1854
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:52,260
technical something that without

1855
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:54,570
question proves the government has alien

1856
01:17:02,239 --> 01:16:57,570
technology that's been his complaint

1857
01:17:04,609 --> 01:17:02,249
with mj-12 well again that's a good

1858
01:17:07,489 --> 01:17:04,619
now the leakers may be part of the

1859
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:07,499
agenda as I say leaking inaccurate

1860
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:09,210
information from accurate sources and

1861
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:11,010
vice-versa that that's actually a

1862
01:17:14,839 --> 01:17:13,050
technique that is considered rather

1863
01:17:16,939 --> 01:17:14,849
important at least in my day and it was

1864
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:16,949
back in the 80s but I can't imagine that

1865
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:20,880
would have changed technical I assume

1866
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:22,670
technically you mean nuts-and-bolts

1867
01:17:29,180 --> 01:17:26,610
technology or technology that's beyond

1868
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,190
that as we've said there there is some

1869
01:17:33,229 --> 01:17:31,199
opinion out there that I happen to

1870
01:17:36,410 --> 01:17:33,239
respect that may at least some of these

1871
01:17:38,739 --> 01:17:36,420
UFOs are not alien craft as such but

1872
01:17:41,899 --> 01:17:38,749
that they're living creatures baby

1873
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:41,909
something that would be beyond as far as

1874
01:17:46,969 --> 01:17:44,880
we know our science so there may very

1875
01:17:48,469 --> 01:17:46,979
well be alien technology that is in the

1876
01:17:53,649 --> 01:17:48,479
possession of the government or the

1877
01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:53,659
corporate world or both and so again I I

1878
01:17:57,950 --> 01:17:56,219
don't really know since I'm not part of

1879
01:17:59,359 --> 01:17:57,960
the in-crowd in that but you know as I

1880
01:18:01,489 --> 01:17:59,369
say what would the security clearance I

1881
01:18:03,729 --> 01:18:01,499
think that they may be an agenda behind

1882
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:03,739
what is being released and why and when

1883
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:07,920
yeah you know a lot of people have

1884
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:09,900
speculated about you know when it comes

1885
01:18:14,689 --> 01:18:13,289
to government knowing or getting it into

1886
01:18:15,979 --> 01:18:14,699
the private sector I've noticed you

1887
01:18:19,219 --> 01:18:15,989
mentioned that a few different times

1888
01:18:21,620 --> 01:18:19,229
yeah today which actually makes sense I

1889
01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:21,630
mean secrets could be kept a lot easier

1890
01:18:26,209 --> 01:18:24,420
if it was kept in the private sector and

1891
01:18:31,850 --> 01:18:26,219
the question has come up many times on

1892
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:31,860
this show to guests posed in this way do

1893
01:18:35,410 --> 01:18:33,090
you think the government actually knows

1894
01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:35,420
what's going on when it comes to UFOs

1895
01:18:40,339 --> 01:18:37,320
what did what are your thoughts on that

1896
01:18:41,689 --> 01:18:40,349
well if you really want my thoughts on

1897
01:18:45,259 --> 01:18:41,699
this Bart I'll have to get into

1898
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:45,269
something that is a little scary maybe a

1899
01:18:53,419 --> 01:18:49,710
lot scary wouldn't we love to weaponize

1900
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:53,429
the paranormal to make it appear that we

1901
01:18:58,009 --> 01:18:55,170
can manipulate space and time in the

1902
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:58,019
face of an enemy I think that if this

1903
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,679
multiverse thing is correct that maybe

1904
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:03,840
the big secret I think we'd be very

1905
01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:05,940
comfortable you know we all grew up with

1906
01:19:12,109 --> 01:19:09,239
Chewbacca and all these guys you know I

1907
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:12,119
think we'd be very comfortable if we not

1908
01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:14,010
bury cover we'd be intrigued we wouldn't

1909
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:14,260
be

1910
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:18,489
that there are as life on some of these

1911
01:19:22,259 --> 01:19:20,170
exoplanets that have been discovered if

1912
01:19:24,419 --> 01:19:22,269
we have some way to know that even if

1913
01:19:25,919 --> 01:19:24,429
they were visiting here in their craft I

1914
01:19:28,410 --> 01:19:25,929
think we could deal with that

1915
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:28,420
however the despite any problems with

1916
01:19:33,450 --> 01:19:30,369
alien microbes that were leaving that

1917
01:19:35,129 --> 01:19:33,460
aside however if this multi-verse thing

1918
01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:35,139
is correct and this stuff is right next

1919
01:19:39,870 --> 01:19:37,780
to us all the time and all possibilities

1920
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:39,880
are out there including our fondest

1921
01:19:44,339 --> 01:19:42,010
dreams and our worst nightmares and if

1922
01:19:47,009 --> 01:19:44,349
these parasites and things are next to

1923
01:19:50,069 --> 01:19:47,019
us all the time and have access to our

1924
01:19:53,970 --> 01:19:50,079
conscious worlds I think that would

1925
01:19:57,089 --> 01:19:53,980
really be scary I just think it's it

1926
01:20:00,899 --> 01:19:57,099
would be terrifying and I think that may

1927
01:20:02,189 --> 01:20:00,909
be part of the secret because well we've

1928
01:20:03,839 --> 01:20:02,199
been threatened because I could say all

1929
01:20:05,339 --> 01:20:03,849
of us I think have been at one point

1930
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:05,349
right now that you know and this sort of

1931
01:20:09,629 --> 01:20:06,670
thing you're too close to the truth or

1932
01:20:13,470 --> 01:20:09,639
whatever because when we in dealing with

1933
01:20:15,180 --> 01:20:13,480
the indigenous people such as the well

1934
01:20:18,930 --> 01:20:15,190
the Australian Aborigines I spent some

1935
01:20:20,069 --> 01:20:18,940
time 1979 with one of the elders and he

1936
01:20:22,020 --> 01:20:20,079
said that you know you're on the right

1937
01:20:23,609 --> 01:20:22,030
track that's what we do as shaman we go

1938
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:23,619
into these parallel worlds get what we

1939
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:25,150
need and bring it back and make it real

1940
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:27,610
a physicist would call it collapsing the

1941
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:29,110
wavefunction

1942
01:20:32,669 --> 01:20:30,880
so this is a thirty thousand year old

1943
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:32,679
culture and they know all about this

1944
01:20:37,229 --> 01:20:34,570
stuff at least from what he said so I

1945
01:20:39,330 --> 01:20:37,239
think that I think if that's the scary

1946
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:39,340
part I think that that might might be

1947
01:20:43,950 --> 01:20:41,199
the big secret are part of the big

1948
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:43,960
secret you know militarizing the

1949
01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:48,070
multiverse Wow yeah yeah that is that is

1950
01:20:54,089 --> 01:20:50,409
scary and I've always you know I've

1951
01:21:00,450 --> 01:20:54,099
always had kind of the thought that if

1952
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:00,460
UFOs were say and in ETS instead of you

1953
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,170
know what you're talking about or the

1954
01:21:07,620 --> 01:21:04,480
possibility they're merely gonna be

1955
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:07,630
maybe the government has the same amount

1956
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:10,050
of information we have which is nothing

1957
01:21:14,759 --> 01:21:13,150
well I'm not saying that the idea of

1958
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:14,769
manatsu both craft or that they aren't

1959
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:17,409
being stored with alien bodies I'm not

1960
01:21:20,729 --> 01:21:19,570
saying that's not correct I did I think

1961
01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:20,739
that we have to consider other

1962
01:21:24,419 --> 01:21:22,840
possibilities and that there may all of

1963
01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:24,429
these possibilities may be true or none

1964
01:21:27,330 --> 01:21:26,590
of them may be true so that's well

1965
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:27,340
that's

1966
01:21:32,250 --> 01:21:30,369
well-put so a little bit off-topic here

1967
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,260
but I remember you talking about this

1968
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:34,480
before someone wants to know if you have

1969
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:36,280
any updates on the mysterious farm in

1970
01:21:40,859 --> 01:21:38,770
Litchfield County ok well let's let's

1971
01:21:41,939 --> 01:21:40,869
reel County Connecticut and it's the the

1972
01:21:43,169 --> 01:21:41,949
Litchfield trying to lure the

1973
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:43,179
Connecticut triangle is we sometimes

1974
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:46,449
talk about I don't know what the

1975
01:21:50,939 --> 01:21:49,449
listeners information is or how updated

1976
01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:50,949
it is if she's been to one of our recent

1977
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:52,540
lectures we always update people when we

1978
01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:55,320
speak on this we call it the funny farm

1979
01:22:01,379 --> 01:21:58,570
essentially we it's it's an old farm now

1980
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:01,389
we discovered it in 2010 there was all

1981
01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:03,130
sorts of military activity going on in

1982
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:05,500
the area ground troops that they didn't

1983
01:22:11,250 --> 01:22:10,000
care who knew it excuse me and this of

1984
01:22:13,050 --> 01:22:11,260
course is the center of the Flat Barry

1985
01:22:14,970 --> 01:22:13,060
and again talking about militarizing the

1986
01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:14,980
paranormal how do you do that you study

1987
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:16,860
it and you have to go to where the

1988
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:20,530
intersect overwash and overlap points

1989
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:23,050
are between would have like the portals

1990
01:22:27,959 --> 01:22:26,320
in a way well port could be portals we

1991
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:27,969
think that it's bigger than that that

1992
01:22:33,149 --> 01:22:30,010
the whole areas are affected by these

1993
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:33,159
overlaps of the brains of parallel

1994
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:35,110
worlds where you might have different

1995
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,760
laws of physics which is why I could

1996
01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:38,560
stand in that kitchen in Bridgeport and

1997
01:22:42,359 --> 01:22:41,020
74 were those police and police officers

1998
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:42,369
and firefighters and watch the

1999
01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:44,290
refrigerator float there may have been

2000
01:22:48,899 --> 01:22:46,270
an over wash of a world where that the

2001
01:22:50,339 --> 01:22:48,909
thing was was almost weightless because

2002
01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:50,349
of the laws of physics being very

2003
01:22:54,990 --> 01:22:53,409
different that's one thought rather than

2004
01:22:56,430 --> 01:22:55,000
a ghost lifting the thing up I don't

2005
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:56,440
think that that's really what happened

2006
01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:57,730
is I didn't feel any presence at the

2007
01:23:04,140 --> 01:23:00,179
time so in Litchfield we had this farm

2008
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:04,150
there was no farming it was all broken

2009
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:06,820
down except for one building which

2010
01:23:11,390 --> 01:23:09,250
appeared to be a house the military

2011
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:11,400
activity seemed to be present at this

2012
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:14,590
location seemed to be the center and we

2013
01:23:19,890 --> 01:23:17,920
have found some of the most recent

2014
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:19,900
information involves some of my old

2015
01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:21,760
contacts in the intelligence community

2016
01:23:30,959 --> 01:23:27,190
and we were told again after 2012 2013

2017
01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:30,969
2014 by 2015 the the center building the

2018
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,820
old barn had been totally rebuilt the

2019
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:35,679
two silos had remained standing for some

2020
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:38,340
reason the place has the name of a farm

2021
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:41,410
which is on a different

2022
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:43,210
in Connecticut and there's Connecticut

2023
01:23:46,050 --> 01:23:44,800
state law that says to farms can't have

2024
01:23:47,370 --> 01:23:46,060
the same name believe it or not

2025
01:23:49,979 --> 01:23:47,380
everything's fishy about the place

2026
01:23:51,420 --> 01:23:49,989
seized and that the doors look like

2027
01:23:54,090 --> 01:23:51,430
they've never been open the building is

2028
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:54,100
empty from everything we can see and yet

2029
01:23:58,170 --> 01:23:56,050
there is there's a lot of excavation

2030
01:24:00,060 --> 01:23:58,180
there's some evidence of ventilation

2031
01:24:01,290 --> 01:24:00,070
underground perhaps an underground

2032
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:01,300
base's everybody thinks well you're

2033
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:02,770
paranoid but the underground bases are

2034
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:05,170
not unusual in the global military

2035
01:24:08,490 --> 01:24:06,489
community and there are a lot of

2036
01:24:10,890 --> 01:24:08,500
underground bases whether that's what

2037
01:24:14,130 --> 01:24:10,900
this is we don't know however we have

2038
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:14,140
learned we learned year-and-a-half ago

2039
01:24:20,430 --> 01:24:17,440
or so that the strange building across

2040
01:24:23,070 --> 01:24:20,440
the road from this but the dirt road

2041
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:23,080
from this actual farm where wires are

2042
01:24:27,780 --> 01:24:25,090
going down coming up out of the ground

2043
01:24:33,330 --> 01:24:27,790
going over to the farm is owned by the

2044
01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:33,340
US Army it's part of a of a the Gwen the

2045
01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:37,180
ground wave emergency network which is

2046
01:24:42,690 --> 01:24:40,390
supposed to be rather chillingly and

2047
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:42,700
network for communication before during

2048
01:24:47,130 --> 01:24:45,310
and after a nuclear war however the

2049
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:47,140
building is rather there's a windowless

2050
01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:49,600
building with cinder blocks and there's

2051
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:52,630
an antenna painted as one would be in an

2052
01:24:57,630 --> 01:24:54,510
airport also alternating red and white

2053
01:24:59,550 --> 01:24:57,640
now Gwen there's another mysterious

2054
01:25:00,000 --> 01:24:59,560
installation on mohawk Mountain near

2055
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:00,010
here

2056
01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:04,570
claim to know what is because my

2057
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:06,820
technology is 40 years old from the

2058
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:09,489
military however we have taken a lot of

2059
01:25:13,290 --> 01:25:11,530
pictures and they say it's it's

2060
01:25:16,290 --> 01:25:13,300
broadcasting something it's sending out

2061
01:25:18,150 --> 01:25:16,300
our indication is that it's VLF sound

2062
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:18,160
waves of very low frequency sound waves

2063
01:25:24,030 --> 01:25:20,770
which have been known to influence human

2064
01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:24,040
behavior one of the areas that we've

2065
01:25:29,490 --> 01:25:26,020
looked at in this in this triangle or

2066
01:25:34,170 --> 01:25:29,500
flap area has been changes in public

2067
01:25:34,590 --> 01:25:34,180
behavior there was a period in in I'm

2068
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:34,600
sorry

2069
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:38,110
I said really oh yeah yes yes one of the

2070
01:25:42,660 --> 01:25:40,810
one of the situations was in 2009 and

2071
01:25:46,050 --> 01:25:42,670
2010 when this military activity was

2072
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:46,060
going on and then later as well over the

2073
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:47,920
next few years this behavior would

2074
01:25:52,770 --> 01:25:50,530
alternate it started with people driving

2075
01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:52,780
on the wrong side of the road in numbers

2076
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:54,200
way beyond the statistical

2077
01:25:58,510 --> 01:25:55,730
probability for the population of this

2078
01:26:00,640 --> 01:25:58,520
area when that was noticed in the press

2079
01:26:02,410 --> 01:26:00,650
and in social media it changed and

2080
01:26:06,490 --> 01:26:02,420
people started driving off the road and

2081
01:26:07,900 --> 01:26:06,500
hitting trees in ridiculous numbers then

2082
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:07,910
all of a sudden when that was noticed

2083
01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:10,850
there were suicides in ludicrous numbers

2084
01:26:15,850 --> 01:26:13,400
in this area very obviously very

2085
01:26:17,050 --> 01:26:15,860
chilling now whether I'm not saying it

2086
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:17,060
was connect I don't know but it's very

2087
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:18,800
suspicious with the presence of these

2088
01:26:25,090 --> 01:26:21,110
things and in many of the Gwenn sites

2089
01:26:27,490 --> 01:26:25,100
there do seem to be these things that

2090
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:27,500
would that would broadcast these waves

2091
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:29,450
rather than just receive radio signals

2092
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:31,820
from you know any sort of military

2093
01:26:37,570 --> 01:26:34,880
activity of that regard so there were

2094
01:26:39,460 --> 01:26:37,580
people people in 2009-2010 would be

2095
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:39,470
walking their dog mcdhh Antonio knows

2096
01:26:45,670 --> 01:26:41,210
about this because he lives in that area

2097
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:45,680
and he cites the example of a friend who

2098
01:26:50,380 --> 01:26:48,050
would fish this one area of all his life

2099
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:50,390
is it since he was a kid I'm son humbiy

2100
01:26:57,010 --> 01:26:54,170
pull Humvee pulls up guys with m16s get

2101
01:26:59,020 --> 01:26:57,020
out and tell him gently but firmly that

2102
01:27:01,660 --> 01:26:59,030
he could not fish there anymore yes

2103
01:27:03,070 --> 01:27:01,670
there were people who had walked their

2104
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:03,080
dogs to the edge of their property be

2105
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:04,850
stopped by people with m16s I said they

2106
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:06,110
couldn't do this these people were

2107
01:27:10,900 --> 01:27:08,930
either in camo or in black so word that

2108
01:27:14,230 --> 01:27:10,910
was this the military or is it corporate

2109
01:27:16,150 --> 01:27:14,240
they thought the funny farm is owned by

2110
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:16,160
an absentee landlord who happens to own

2111
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:19,100
an aerospace company so Abby you line up

2112
01:27:22,450 --> 01:27:21,110
the ducks here yeah and the

2113
01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:22,460
circumstantial evidence is rather

2114
01:27:25,450 --> 01:27:23,780
overwhelming that something weird is

2115
01:27:29,260 --> 01:27:25,460
going on we believe they were searching

2116
01:27:32,170 --> 01:27:29,270
the multiversal factors involved in this

2117
01:27:35,050 --> 01:27:32,180
flap area and ban has had some weird

2118
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:35,060
experiences there too we had one

2119
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:37,730
occasion what we had there's one as you

2120
01:27:41,470 --> 01:27:39,290
can see this video if you go to our

2121
01:27:43,450 --> 01:27:41,480
Facebook page the show Facebook page

2122
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:43,460
behind the paranormal Paul and then you

2123
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:47,450
know in 2010 the little boy at point one

2124
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:49,850
we call it point one of the triangle

2125
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:52,130
which was a 1793 farm house where all

2126
01:27:56,380 --> 01:27:54,710
this our research began in 2005 we've

2127
01:27:58,420 --> 01:27:56,390
been researching this case for 12 years

2128
01:28:02,260 --> 01:27:58,430
the little four-year-old boy in the

2129
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:02,270
house said his invisible friend a Schwar

2130
01:28:08,020 --> 01:28:06,290
was in the tree outside so we were there

2131
01:28:09,970 --> 01:28:08,030
with with a film crew from the

2132
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:09,980
we're doing a pilot for one of our board

2133
01:28:14,050 --> 01:28:11,930
of TV shows that the network's always

2134
01:28:16,750 --> 01:28:14,060
come back and say in so many words we're

2135
01:28:18,370 --> 01:28:16,760
too intelligent which I hope will change

2136
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:18,380
because I think people are sick of

2137
01:28:22,300 --> 01:28:19,730
people screaming and running out of

2138
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:22,310
houses know this business and we pointed

2139
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:23,810
the infrared camera up into the tree and

2140
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:25,610
you can see this video it's the first

2141
01:28:28,270 --> 01:28:27,110
video on the behind the paranormal

2142
01:28:32,110 --> 01:28:28,280
Facebook page

2143
01:28:34,750 --> 01:28:32,120
almost tadpole-like creature white is

2144
01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:34,760
coming down out of this tree about six

2145
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:38,450
seconds in and vanishing in the last

2146
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:41,450
frame and I saw that yeah yeah yeah so

2147
01:28:48,450 --> 01:28:44,960
was that a shuara by I don't know and

2148
01:28:50,410 --> 01:28:48,460
our intrepid cohort shakeseare way

2149
01:28:52,420 --> 01:28:50,420
happened to be lowered doing some

2150
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:52,430
research and looked in some of the

2151
01:28:57,820 --> 01:28:55,250
indigenous peoples of Latin America and

2152
01:28:59,770 --> 01:28:57,830
well yeah Central American South America

2153
01:29:02,230 --> 01:28:59,780
and found out that there in some

2154
01:29:05,380 --> 01:29:02,240
cultures there are there is the the word

2155
01:29:08,440 --> 01:29:05,390
a schwa race eh ua r which means the

2156
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:08,450
tree people or tree spirits and this

2157
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:10,970
little boy said a schwarz people live in

2158
01:29:15,970 --> 01:29:14,000
trees that is really bizarre so yeah

2159
01:29:17,410 --> 01:29:15,980
could that just be coincidence I mean

2160
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:17,420
there's anything a vehicle well I don't

2161
01:29:21,250 --> 01:29:18,770
believe in coincidence I don't know what

2162
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:21,260
you are when it comes to stuff like this

2163
01:29:24,670 --> 01:29:22,850
yeah it's possible

2164
01:29:26,890 --> 01:29:24,680
I mean but a little four-year-old boy in

2165
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:26,900
Connecticut yeah knowing the word a

2166
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:29,510
Schwar that that's kind of too much of a

2167
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:31,250
coincidence for me I don't know

2168
01:29:35,020 --> 01:29:33,410
yeah that's bizarre yeah oh this is all

2169
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,030
in this weird flat berry with a funny

2170
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:37,520
farm is so that's now how close can you

2171
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:40,250
get to that by car you have to know

2172
01:29:45,130 --> 01:29:42,770
where it is the the gate is that you

2173
01:29:48,010 --> 01:29:45,140
could get there well we haven't been we

2174
01:29:49,570 --> 01:29:48,020
haven't been well I shouldn't say how do

2175
01:29:54,250 --> 01:29:49,580
you how do you cover a case of this

2176
01:29:56,770 --> 01:29:54,260
scope our show has a series of reporters

2177
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:56,780
and we have set up sort of a spy network

2178
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:00,560
in areas like this we and we have six of

2179
01:30:05,020 --> 01:30:02,090
these things kind of going around the

2180
01:30:06,580 --> 01:30:05,030
world and essentially we make sure they

2181
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:06,590
don't know if possible make sure they

2182
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:08,510
don't know each other so there's no

2183
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:10,370
suggestibility involved and they simply

2184
01:30:16,060 --> 01:30:13,850
feed us information one of our spies is

2185
01:30:18,610 --> 01:30:16,070
one actually one of our show producers

2186
01:30:19,399 --> 01:30:18,620
who is totally crazy as far as I'm

2187
01:30:22,669 --> 01:30:19,409
concerned when it comes to the

2188
01:30:24,350 --> 01:30:22,679
farm and she will actually pull up and

2189
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:24,360
she's actually walked in through the

2190
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:26,130
gate which is almost never open she's

2191
01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:27,630
found it open on several occasions and

2192
01:30:30,770 --> 01:30:29,400
all she's really found and there was a

2193
01:30:32,689 --> 01:30:30,780
dog and there were two government

2194
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:32,699
looking kind of vehicles that she sent

2195
01:30:38,209 --> 01:30:35,760
photographs of but it's it's very and

2196
01:30:39,770 --> 01:30:38,219
she's also with with someone else kind

2197
01:30:42,379 --> 01:30:39,780
of hiked around the edge of the property

2198
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:42,389
and we have some plans to be working

2199
01:30:45,319 --> 01:30:44,280
there with Mark Dantonio but with doing

2200
01:30:45,949 --> 01:30:45,329
some other things right I really don't

2201
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:45,959
want to say

2202
01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:48,570
for obvious reasons but we've got a lot

2203
01:30:53,569 --> 01:30:50,329
more plans to do some observing and

2204
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:53,579
there are some when I was in the

2205
01:30:58,819 --> 01:30:57,360
military actually they were sensors and

2206
01:31:01,939 --> 01:30:58,829
listening devices that actually looked

2207
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:01,949
like the knots of trees that could be

2208
01:31:05,929 --> 01:31:03,840
put on trees strange as it sounds and

2209
01:31:08,509 --> 01:31:05,939
that was in the 80s and there and I'll

2210
01:31:09,919 --> 01:31:08,519
be darned if it's not some of the stuff

2211
01:31:12,140 --> 01:31:09,929
that I've seen around around that

2212
01:31:14,569 --> 01:31:12,150
property so we're going to be doing some

2213
01:31:16,879 --> 01:31:14,579
some some work and some kinds of stuff

2214
01:31:18,109 --> 01:31:16,889
going on but one of our contacts in the

2215
01:31:19,729 --> 01:31:18,119
intelligence community checked the

2216
01:31:23,689 --> 01:31:19,739
address and said back off

2217
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,699
really yes so in other words yes another

2218
01:31:26,449 --> 01:31:25,199
one in Pennsylvania he said well that

2219
01:31:28,370 --> 01:31:26,459
you got the wrong place because you know

2220
01:31:29,540 --> 01:31:28,380
there's always an equip equivalent place

2221
01:31:30,919 --> 01:31:29,550
weren't working the Pennsylvania

2222
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:30,929
triangle as well but that's only two

2223
01:31:34,129 --> 01:31:32,249
years old may take us another ten years

2224
01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:34,139
to get to where that the activity is

2225
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:36,150
centered so anyway but that's the latest

2226
01:31:41,899 --> 01:31:38,610
on the funny farm yeah fermer I love

2227
01:31:44,359 --> 01:31:41,909
that so Bob I just let the listener know

2228
01:31:46,429 --> 01:31:44,369
that listens to the everything else show

2229
01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:46,439
which is on Monday night not every

2230
01:31:52,669 --> 01:31:50,280
Monday night but mostly every week or

2231
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:52,679
every other week or so I have Sam

2232
01:31:57,140 --> 01:31:54,449
moranto who's actually been on this show

2233
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,150
a number of times he's a UFO researcher

2234
01:32:01,939 --> 01:31:59,280
in Chicago but he's going to be doing a

2235
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:01,949
show on the everything else show about

2236
01:32:07,729 --> 01:32:05,280
the Mothman case that's recently popped

2237
01:32:10,339 --> 01:32:07,739
up in Chicago and Bobby wrote me today

2238
01:32:11,390 --> 01:32:10,349
and asked me to ask you if you knew

2239
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:11,400
anything about that

2240
01:32:16,759 --> 01:32:15,449
Oh actually uh well the Mothman we made

2241
01:32:19,219 --> 01:32:16,769
a study of that because that that's one

2242
01:32:20,959 --> 01:32:19,229
of the flap areas the Ohio Valley

2243
01:32:24,469 --> 01:32:20,969
certainly in the Point Pleasant

2244
01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:24,479
Parkersburg area well yeah one of the

2245
01:32:29,179 --> 01:32:26,729
things about that is that we our new

2246
01:32:31,009 --> 01:32:29,189
book behind the paranormal - Bigfoot

2247
01:32:32,659 --> 01:32:31,019
Mothman and everything monsters you

2248
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:32,669
never heard of which came out in July we

2249
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:32,970
met

2250
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:35,280
to squeeze a little bit about the

2251
01:32:39,470 --> 01:32:37,410
Mothman Chicago sightings which is just

2252
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:39,480
taking starting in April and we squeeze

2253
01:32:42,740 --> 01:32:40,530
there a few of them out of the book

2254
01:32:44,150 --> 01:32:42,750
before it with the press so what we did

2255
01:32:45,860 --> 01:32:44,160
we have made bit of a study I haven't

2256
01:32:47,390 --> 01:32:45,870
been out there ourselves yet we hope to

2257
01:32:51,170 --> 01:32:47,400
where we have some contacts out there in

2258
01:32:53,420 --> 01:32:51,180
a few spies what really I get our

2259
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:53,430
terminology you have to be careful the

2260
01:32:59,570 --> 01:32:56,570
Mothman was a term invented by the media

2261
01:33:01,040 --> 01:32:59,580
to describe this batwing really a bat

2262
01:33:02,930 --> 01:33:01,050
winged creature didn't really look like

2263
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:02,940
a big moth at least not to most people

2264
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:06,570
and one of the most accurate renditions

2265
01:33:12,620 --> 01:33:10,410
of Mothman sort of replicated figures of

2266
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:12,630
Mothman is believe it about the one

2267
01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:15,570
that's in the town square in part in one

2268
01:33:19,670 --> 01:33:17,310
Pleasant West Virginian near the museum

2269
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:19,680
that's what that really matches the

2270
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:21,480
descriptions of what most people said it

2271
01:33:25,460 --> 01:33:23,040
looked like very very human except with

2272
01:33:27,380 --> 01:33:25,470
these wings and a funny head the

2273
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:27,390
creature in Chicago has been described

2274
01:33:31,310 --> 01:33:29,460
as very that like and there have been

2275
01:33:34,340 --> 01:33:31,320
more than one scene at one time the case

2276
01:33:36,650 --> 01:33:34,350
we recount in the book several witnesses

2277
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:36,660
were by a marina on Lake Michigan and

2278
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:38,970
they happen to see two huge bat-like

2279
01:33:44,690 --> 01:33:41,760
creatures flying in the sky over the

2280
01:33:47,210 --> 01:33:44,700
water and so there's that that's odd to

2281
01:33:49,090 --> 01:33:47,220
it to creatures instead of one so

2282
01:33:51,650 --> 01:33:49,100
Mothman I guess is a convenient term

2283
01:33:53,420 --> 01:33:51,660
coined by the press because they were

2284
01:33:56,150 --> 01:33:53,430
going to call it Batman but what

2285
01:33:58,820 --> 01:33:56,160
happened was that the Batman TV show

2286
01:34:00,710 --> 01:33:58,830
with Adam West was your about my vintage

2287
01:34:02,750 --> 01:34:00,720
a member that I thought it was really

2288
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,760
I'm an Adam West recently he's you did

2289
01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:04,560
yeah he's a cool guy oh I should have

2290
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:07,980
called the show dumb any case they were

2291
01:34:12,110 --> 01:34:09,810
afraid of a giant lawsuit so they didn't

2292
01:34:13,730 --> 01:34:12,120
dare call it Mothman this is the Batman

2293
01:34:15,230 --> 01:34:13,740
so they called it Mothman instead so

2294
01:34:17,420 --> 01:34:15,240
that's what the term but again that's

2295
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:17,430
our terms whether it's the same creature

2296
01:34:21,650 --> 01:34:19,410
the same kind of creature or whether

2297
01:34:24,410 --> 01:34:21,660
it's predicting a disaster which I have

2298
01:34:28,670 --> 01:34:24,420
trouble with that idea these are all

2299
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:28,680
open questions so okay so now this we're

2300
01:34:31,850 --> 01:34:30,090
skipping around a little bit because I'm

2301
01:34:34,430 --> 01:34:31,860
asking questions that have come in on

2302
01:34:37,460 --> 01:34:34,440
the chat room so Andy wanted to know

2303
01:34:40,490 --> 01:34:37,470
what your thoughts on the afterlife as

2304
01:34:41,210 --> 01:34:40,500
it relates to the multiverse that's a

2305
01:34:46,700 --> 01:34:41,220
good question

2306
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:46,710
multiverse really say

2307
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:49,410
and is anything that's possible as we

2308
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:50,910
said does exist and we're the multi

2309
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:55,410
person but death may not be possible in

2310
01:35:01,940 --> 01:34:57,330
the multiverse by it by any stretch of

2311
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:01,950
the imagination she when when you see

2312
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:03,360
uncle George

2313
01:35:08,060 --> 01:35:05,610
you know skipping down the street three

2314
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:08,070
years after his funeral you may be

2315
01:35:12,290 --> 01:35:10,380
simply at an intersect point to a world

2316
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:12,300
where uncle George never died okay

2317
01:35:14,990 --> 01:35:13,890
especially if he's skipping and he was

2318
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:15,000
old I mean there might be different laws

2319
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:17,610
of physics Martin I can can testify to

2320
01:35:25,390 --> 01:35:20,880
that so it's I think it's uh there is

2321
01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:25,400
death has no meaning we refer to it as

2322
01:35:31,670 --> 01:35:29,460
translation someone translated we if

2323
01:35:33,650 --> 01:35:31,680
this multi verse thing is correct you

2324
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:33,660
you look at a tree outside your window

2325
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:36,090
you know thousands maybe more than that

2326
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:36,960
of leaves

2327
01:35:43,729 --> 01:35:40,410
well one leaf falls off so what you're

2328
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:43,739
the whole tree okay there is constant

2329
01:35:49,820 --> 01:35:46,050
seems to be constant recycling it's all

2330
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:49,830
simultaneous if Einstein was correct so

2331
01:35:53,180 --> 01:35:51,330
you can't really have reincarnation

2332
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:53,190
because there's no pass so I can have

2333
01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:56,010
past lives however you can have parallel

2334
01:36:02,150 --> 01:35:59,219
lives from what we see one of the things

2335
01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:02,160
that we always do if we run into a

2336
01:36:06,410 --> 01:36:04,260
regression therapist someone who will

2337
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:06,420
hypnotize you and take you back to past

2338
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:10,410
lives is is will ask do you ever run it

2339
01:36:14,660 --> 01:36:13,290
when you hypnotize someone attempted ISM

2340
01:36:17,420 --> 01:36:14,670
it's another question I miss being

2341
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:17,430
rehabilitated now do you ever run into

2342
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:20,010
someone who names a date in the future

2343
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:22,290
or describes a world that you don't

2344
01:36:26,060 --> 01:36:25,020
recognize and almost always they'll say

2345
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:26,070
funny you should ask

2346
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:28,650
yes at first they didn't know how to

2347
01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:30,960
interpret that is it some say it's not

2348
01:36:35,540 --> 01:36:34,020
common but it does happen so there is an

2349
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:35,550
increasing under sometimes they'll say

2350
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:36,810
though they'll give dates that are

2351
01:36:40,190 --> 01:36:38,340
combinations of letters and numbers that

2352
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:40,200
they don't even understand or they'll

2353
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:42,090
describe very very strange worlds that

2354
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:44,310
they know are not from our past at least

2355
01:36:51,290 --> 01:36:48,480
so they believe so again the whole idea

2356
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:51,300
of parallel lives is now being accepted

2357
01:36:56,660 --> 01:36:55,290
in the realm of regression therapy to

2358
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:56,670
some degree although they don't really

2359
01:37:00,530 --> 01:36:59,280
understand how to explain it so I think

2360
01:37:02,180 --> 01:37:00,540
that the afterlife is

2361
01:37:05,690 --> 01:37:02,190
totally transformed by the notion of the

2362
01:37:07,930 --> 01:37:05,700
multiverse to make it even weirder

2363
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:07,940
there are a time I think we all have

2364
01:37:13,540 --> 01:37:10,290
examples I have several examples of

2365
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:13,550
having been saved literally when I was a

2366
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:16,650
military operation and was saved by

2367
01:37:20,450 --> 01:37:18,060
bleed by something that pulled me out

2368
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:20,460
from under 8 feet of snow

2369
01:37:26,270 --> 01:37:23,520
I couldn't breathe it was it was a warm

2370
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:26,280
hand that literally pulled me out and

2371
01:37:30,260 --> 01:37:28,170
and things like I think we all have

2372
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:30,270
stories similar to that where we've been

2373
01:37:34,430 --> 01:37:32,490
helped by something that wasn't us but

2374
01:37:38,710 --> 01:37:34,440
maybe it was our people talk about that

2375
01:37:41,810 --> 01:37:38,720
yeah maybe it was us maybe it is us

2376
01:37:43,820 --> 01:37:41,820
maybe we are our own guardian each other

2377
01:37:46,370 --> 01:37:43,830
versions of ourselves in worlds where

2378
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:46,380
the laws of physics are different and

2379
01:37:52,370 --> 01:37:49,910
that we were we could be aware of our

2380
01:37:54,380 --> 01:37:52,380
sending in Hue fo is that people say

2381
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:54,390
maybe other versions of ourselves I mean

2382
01:37:58,760 --> 01:37:56,880
these are all possibilities and I think

2383
01:38:00,860 --> 01:37:58,770
we need to consider why is it that

2384
01:38:03,770 --> 01:38:00,870
Mozart was able to sit down at the age

2385
01:38:05,060 --> 01:38:03,780
of 4 and compose brilliant piano

2386
01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:05,070
concerto

2387
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:07,260
sure his father made him study like mad

2388
01:38:12,170 --> 01:38:09,360
but that doesn't necessarily explain it

2389
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:12,180
does it he may have been aware of where

2390
01:38:17,630 --> 01:38:15,570
he already is was has no meaning already

2391
01:38:19,580 --> 01:38:17,640
is a brilliant composer and what was in

2392
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:19,590
touch with that there are many examples

2393
01:38:24,380 --> 01:38:21,360
of the prodigies and things are very

2394
01:38:27,710 --> 01:38:24,390
good yeah that the prodigies that are

2395
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:27,720
just unexplainable yeah and also second

2396
01:38:31,700 --> 01:38:29,610
languages you know I mean there's sure

2397
01:38:33,290 --> 01:38:31,710
yeah there's yet a lot of things that

2398
01:38:35,930 --> 01:38:33,300
just really make you wonder what the

2399
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:35,940
heck is going on so actually we are

2400
01:38:43,940 --> 01:38:38,250
taking calls if anyone wants to call in

2401
01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:43,950
it's 6:03 967 403 Oh would love to hear

2402
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:47,510
from you ask our guest guest a question

2403
01:38:52,820 --> 01:38:50,490
and we speaking that we have a question

2404
01:38:54,710 --> 01:38:52,830
from Karl in the chat room do you think

2405
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:54,720
any of the atomic bomb testings and

2406
01:39:01,640 --> 01:38:57,930
Herreshoff Hiroshima Nagasaki in the

2407
01:39:05,060 --> 01:39:01,650
late nineteen or the extra mid 1940s led

2408
01:39:08,300 --> 01:39:05,070
to the modern UFO phenomena well that

2409
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:08,310
that's a good question Stan Friedman

2410
01:39:12,170 --> 01:39:09,810
tends to think that that is something to

2411
01:39:14,150 --> 01:39:12,180
do with it yeah I love the way he puts

2412
01:39:14,810 --> 01:39:14,160
it every said oh how come they don't

2413
01:39:18,410 --> 01:39:14,820
talk to us

2414
01:39:21,110 --> 01:39:18,420
we're primitive species trimeric

2415
01:39:22,460 --> 01:39:21,120
tivities tribal water effects you know I

2416
01:39:24,860 --> 01:39:22,470
mean good old stand his feet on the

2417
01:39:27,260 --> 01:39:24,870
ground I think you know he's got a point

2418
01:39:29,630 --> 01:39:27,270
there is some belief and particularly

2419
01:39:33,290 --> 01:39:29,640
around the first UFO researchers of the

2420
01:39:35,630 --> 01:39:33,300
40s and 50s that because we were able to

2421
01:39:39,020 --> 01:39:35,640
destroy ourselves quite dramatically in

2422
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:39,030
this way that they were here to produce

2423
01:39:44,660 --> 01:39:41,600
a vast sort or to monitor us at least

2424
01:39:47,150 --> 01:39:44,670
there are many examples of Italy if you

2425
01:39:51,050 --> 01:39:47,160
talk to high-ranking military personnel

2426
01:39:52,820 --> 01:39:51,060
who will say this including Colonel halt

2427
01:39:55,310 --> 01:39:52,830
from Rendlesham that there's some

2428
01:39:58,480 --> 01:39:55,320
evidence that there was some incursion

2429
01:40:01,580 --> 01:39:58,490
into the weapons storage areas by

2430
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:01,590
strange craft shining beams of light

2431
01:40:07,390 --> 01:40:05,040
down we've heard from several people who

2432
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:07,400
don't want their names mentioned that

2433
01:40:15,500 --> 01:40:10,980
missiles were deactivated or in one case

2434
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:15,510
the case we targeted by these crimes I'd

2435
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:16,800
like to know we targeted two where we

2436
01:40:20,210 --> 01:40:19,650
have a call yeah we that call hello

2437
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,220
caller

2438
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:22,080
welcome to the show please say your

2439
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:24,560
first name and where you calling from

2440
01:40:30,620 --> 01:40:28,020
this is Andrew Kenny I'm calling from uh

2441
01:40:33,650 --> 01:40:30,630
Stratford Connecticut uh-huh one of my

2442
01:40:34,940 --> 01:40:33,660
homies all right I get made in fact how

2443
01:40:36,500 --> 01:40:34,950
are ya thanks Paul

2444
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:36,510
thanks for calling you have a question

2445
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:40,320
for us uh yeah I just I had written it

2446
01:40:43,460 --> 01:40:42,000
in the into the chat line but then I

2447
01:40:47,090 --> 01:40:43,470
thought I'd call I've never called

2448
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:47,100
before sure I just want a little more

2449
01:40:53,540 --> 01:40:49,730
detail from Paul on what he thinks about

2450
01:40:55,670 --> 01:40:53,550
how the multiverse ties into the fact

2451
01:40:58,280 --> 01:40:55,680
that no matter where you are in the in

2452
01:41:01,790 --> 01:40:58,290
the world or for outer space at this

2453
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:01,800
point for that matter when you die you

2454
01:41:06,980 --> 01:41:04,080
seem to or everyone who's ever had a

2455
01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:06,990
near-death experience they seem to all

2456
01:41:11,630 --> 01:41:10,020
instantly go to the next step and then

2457
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:11,640
come back it doesn't matter if you're

2458
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:16,410
Muslim Christian agnostic what are his

2459
01:41:22,460 --> 01:41:19,170
thoughts on that the fact that everybody

2460
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:22,470
just seems to share that experience is

2461
01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:26,250
that part of your soul journey or is it

2462
01:41:31,979 --> 01:41:27,940
related more close

2463
01:41:33,930 --> 01:41:31,989
to the way that the universe is

2464
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:33,940
structured and then I'll take your

2465
01:41:39,150 --> 01:41:36,610
answer off there all right thank you

2466
01:41:40,770 --> 01:41:39,160
yeah thank you for the question it's

2467
01:41:43,290 --> 01:41:40,780
something that I think it all of us

2468
01:41:45,689 --> 01:41:43,300
wonder what will happen when we die

2469
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:45,699
you're we're going to be okay

2470
01:41:50,910 --> 01:41:47,410
well the near-death experience is very

2471
01:41:52,590 --> 01:41:50,920
interesting everyone actually does most

2472
01:41:53,610 --> 01:41:52,600
people have the experience you described

2473
01:41:57,500 --> 01:41:53,620
but not everyone

2474
01:42:00,540 --> 01:41:57,510
some people have terrible experiences I

2475
01:42:02,850 --> 01:42:00,550
had a very weird thing that might have

2476
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:02,860
been considered a near-death experience

2477
01:42:08,820 --> 01:42:06,250
I was my heart was fibrillating I had a

2478
01:42:10,380 --> 01:42:08,830
very serious case of pneumonia I was on

2479
01:42:13,620 --> 01:42:10,390
the way to the hospital all of a sudden

2480
01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:13,630
I saw a like a giant lizard now that

2481
01:42:17,310 --> 01:42:15,400
sounds pretty horrible but it was

2482
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,320
beautifully colored and I felt very

2483
01:42:21,570 --> 01:42:19,360
peaceful I'm not maybe that's how weird

2484
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:21,580
I am I don't know but then I felt very

2485
01:42:24,450 --> 01:42:23,110
very much at peace it was a beautiful

2486
01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:24,460
experience the last thing I would have

2487
01:42:30,689 --> 01:42:27,550
expected but as far as you know

2488
01:42:32,910 --> 01:42:30,699
transitioning near-death experience III

2489
01:42:36,630 --> 01:42:32,920
see I mean I don't see any reason I

2490
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:36,640
think it's it's legitimate because well

2491
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:40,930
if you believe evolution things develop

2492
01:42:45,780 --> 01:42:43,360
in our psyches and in our bodies for

2493
01:42:47,970 --> 01:42:45,790
survival purposes I mean what's the

2494
01:42:50,340 --> 01:42:47,980
survival for what what's the survival

2495
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:50,350
value of a near-death experience I mean

2496
01:42:56,189 --> 01:42:51,730
your body's dying but what would be the

2497
01:42:57,810 --> 01:42:56,199
point so perhaps a transition yes the

2498
01:42:59,220 --> 01:42:57,820
thing yeah I think that that if this

2499
01:43:00,510 --> 01:42:59,230
multiverse thing at least the way we

2500
01:43:05,459 --> 01:43:00,520
approach it is true is that you are

2501
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:05,469
already living parallel lives if there

2502
01:43:10,740 --> 01:43:07,930
is a transition period from one part of

2503
01:43:13,170 --> 01:43:10,750
our consciousness to the next sure there

2504
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:13,180
was a thing called we call it the

2505
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:17,290
flashing Nexus and I've started running

2506
01:43:21,450 --> 01:43:19,330
into this in the late 1970s when people

2507
01:43:23,790 --> 01:43:21,460
would describe it and it doesn't seem to

2508
01:43:26,540 --> 01:43:23,800
be common but and it doesn't always take

2509
01:43:28,860 --> 01:43:26,550
place in cases of medical trauma

2510
01:43:30,930 --> 01:43:28,870
occasionally someone is just an awaking

2511
01:43:33,150 --> 01:43:30,940
life and this just happens but

2512
01:43:34,620 --> 01:43:33,160
frequently it is on the operating table

2513
01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:34,630
or whatever but you really can't call

2514
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:36,190
that in here that dude death experience

2515
01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:39,010
as one man described he was on the table

2516
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,080
he wasn't even under yet and

2517
01:43:46,380 --> 01:43:43,440
setec all of a sudden he was the doctor

2518
01:43:48,450 --> 01:43:46,390
and he said he had all his memories all

2519
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:48,460
his imagination he said he joked is it's

2520
01:43:51,660 --> 01:43:49,930
a good time good thing is he's looking

2521
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:51,670
down at himself about to do something

2522
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:53,650
and then all of a sudden he was then he

2523
01:43:57,330 --> 01:43:55,810
was a nurse and then he was someone out

2524
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,340
in the hallway and he was someone

2525
01:44:02,190 --> 01:43:59,440
driving by in a car outside the hospital

2526
01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:02,200
what the hey is this and we've run into

2527
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:05,230
that so it's like we have parallel lines

2528
01:44:10,260 --> 01:44:06,970
if that's what this is we have these

2529
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:10,270
parallel lives but there is this seems

2530
01:44:15,330 --> 01:44:12,610
to be a central core that which is the

2531
01:44:17,460 --> 01:44:15,340
nexus the term that we use flashing

2532
01:44:19,860 --> 01:44:17,470
Nexus the Nexus is our central core of

2533
01:44:21,570 --> 01:44:19,870
consciousness which might not just be

2534
01:44:23,490 --> 01:44:21,580
your core of consciousness of the unit

2535
01:44:26,190 --> 01:44:23,500
we pass through from one conscious state

2536
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:26,200
to another just becoming your prime

2537
01:44:28,530 --> 01:44:27,610
content or whatever you want to call in

2538
01:44:29,940 --> 01:44:28,540
that it may be different for different

2539
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,950
people depending on their their

2540
01:44:34,290 --> 01:44:31,600
awareness and their even their spiritual

2541
01:44:36,270 --> 01:44:34,300
advancement but this court may be what

2542
01:44:39,930 --> 01:44:36,280
you're experiencing during a near-death

2543
01:44:43,380 --> 01:44:39,940
experience that's really about all we

2544
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:43,390
know but people when people write to our

2545
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:44,560
show and say that they've encountered

2546
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:46,810
other versions of themselves in the 70s

2547
01:44:50,700 --> 01:44:47,920
I was encountering this and that's what

2548
01:44:53,130 --> 01:44:50,710
really made me question the old idea of

2549
01:44:54,630 --> 01:44:53,140
ghosts spirits of the Dead because it

2550
01:44:56,490 --> 01:44:54,640
didn't seem to be good enough why why

2551
01:44:58,380 --> 01:44:56,500
are they wearing clothes driving cars or

2552
01:45:01,080 --> 01:44:58,390
not in our case

2553
01:45:03,780 --> 01:45:01,090
in one case driving by an ox carts

2554
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:03,790
yelling and cracking a whip and what we

2555
01:45:09,870 --> 01:45:07,840
couldn't see it why are these so

2556
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:09,880
physical you know I think because they

2557
01:45:14,130 --> 01:45:11,770
are parallel versions of other people

2558
01:45:15,390 --> 01:45:14,140
even of ourselves what we've talked to

2559
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:15,400
people who've walked into the kitchen

2560
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:17,050
and see themselves sitting at the table

2561
01:45:20,970 --> 01:45:19,450
over the island in the kitchen these are

2562
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:20,980
all things that indicate possibly the

2563
01:45:24,030 --> 01:45:22,210
multi-verse and other versions of

2564
01:45:27,150 --> 01:45:24,040
ourselves so you're already at the other

2565
01:45:29,190 --> 01:45:27,160
end of that tunnel I think and you're

2566
01:45:31,500 --> 01:45:29,200
simply translating we use the word

2567
01:45:34,530 --> 01:45:31,510
translation not death it's a very

2568
01:45:36,660 --> 01:45:34,540
ancient theological term and I think

2569
01:45:39,330 --> 01:45:36,670
that's that's essentially it but but

2570
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:39,340
death is really not possible in any

2571
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:42,850
sense not even for the body if you take

2572
01:45:47,130 --> 01:45:45,040
this - it's I'm not gonna say logical

2573
01:45:48,450 --> 01:45:47,140
because it's not conclusion so that

2574
01:45:51,690 --> 01:45:48,460
those are our thoughts on that

2575
01:45:55,379 --> 01:45:51,700
so the Mandela effect is that very

2576
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:55,389
similar to like alternate realities

2577
01:46:00,840 --> 01:45:59,199
well yes possibly someone had that

2578
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:00,850
question up on that check yeah well the

2579
01:46:07,020 --> 01:46:03,489
Mandela effect which I have done some

2580
01:46:09,629 --> 01:46:07,030
shows on is essentially the name comes

2581
01:46:11,850 --> 01:46:09,639
from Nelson Mandela hundred about that

2582
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:11,860
yeah and people I thought Mandela you

2583
01:46:15,090 --> 01:46:13,210
know the kind of art thing that's very

2584
01:46:18,780 --> 01:46:15,100
multiversal in Tibetan stupid no it's

2585
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:18,790
met its Nelson men Mandela and he

2586
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:20,770
essentially was if anybody doesn't know

2587
01:46:24,899 --> 01:46:23,110
who he is you should he was a very

2588
01:46:27,090 --> 01:46:24,909
gallant civil rights advocate in South

2589
01:46:30,419 --> 01:46:27,100
Africa which had the terrible system of

2590
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:30,429
racial apartheid as they call and went

2591
01:46:34,530 --> 01:46:32,320
from he spent twenty years in prison

2592
01:46:37,169 --> 01:46:34,540
yeah and ended up a resident out yeah he

2593
01:46:40,530 --> 01:46:37,179
ended up president of South Africa and a

2594
01:46:42,209 --> 01:46:40,540
rather good one and he lived until his

2595
01:46:42,660 --> 01:46:42,219
90s however and people thought he was

2596
01:46:43,890 --> 01:46:42,670
dead

2597
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:43,900
yeah people thought about the people

2598
01:46:49,229 --> 01:46:46,330
remembered him dying in prison right and

2599
01:46:50,580 --> 01:46:49,239
this resulted in a conversation a bunch

2600
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:50,590
of people had they said was really we're

2601
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:52,510
how can we have different memories now

2602
01:46:56,930 --> 01:46:54,489
as Martin will testify you get to be our

2603
01:46:59,550 --> 01:46:56,940
age maybe sometimes you have

2604
01:47:01,979 --> 01:46:59,560
confabulation or other things but is it

2605
01:47:03,180 --> 01:47:01,989
really confabulation is it parallel

2606
01:47:05,700 --> 01:47:03,190
memories of things that are actually

2607
01:47:07,530 --> 01:47:05,710
going on and your mind is more in touch

2608
01:47:08,939 --> 01:47:07,540
as you get older I like to think that's

2609
01:47:10,350 --> 01:47:08,949
the case rather than your you just

2610
01:47:12,780 --> 01:47:10,360
losing it

2611
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:12,790
so what that's what the Mandela effect

2612
01:47:17,310 --> 01:47:14,650
is it's it's different people have many

2613
01:47:19,740 --> 01:47:17,320
different memories now raising two boys

2614
01:47:23,580 --> 01:47:19,750
including my co-author and co-host Ben

2615
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:23,590
was now 25 and married we would love the

2616
01:47:27,870 --> 01:47:26,110
berenstain bears now one of the classic

2617
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:27,880
Mandela things that people will say oh

2618
01:47:32,689 --> 01:47:29,920
well people remember it's spelled Baron

2619
01:47:35,459 --> 01:47:32,699
Stein or Berenson I remember Berenstain

2620
01:47:38,250 --> 01:47:35,469
and supposedly and I'd like to prove

2621
01:47:41,220 --> 01:47:38,260
this the books I have we still have the

2622
01:47:43,919 --> 01:47:41,230
open essay Berenstain now if it's a

2623
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:43,929
different if you think one of the things

2624
01:47:47,459 --> 01:47:45,130
with this is that when it comes to the

2625
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:47,469
multiverse you're but it's not we're in

2626
01:47:51,780 --> 01:47:49,690
one world and that's where you stay and

2627
01:47:53,939 --> 01:47:51,790
you know a world will jostle and you'll

2628
01:47:56,189 --> 01:47:53,949
see what we think is a ghost at almost

2629
01:47:59,399 --> 01:47:56,199
we're passing through perhaps even

2630
01:48:01,919 --> 01:47:59,409
millions of parallel worlds in a day say

2631
01:48:04,140 --> 01:48:01,929
like when you get up this morning and

2632
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:04,150
you maybe tripped over something on your

2633
01:48:07,740 --> 01:48:05,050
way to the bathroom

2634
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:07,750
how'd you know yeah really

2635
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:10,690
okay yeah yeah well whatever let's see

2636
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:11,770
what there wasn't world where you did

2637
01:48:15,980 --> 01:48:14,080
that I know okay and one of the it

2638
01:48:18,090 --> 01:48:15,990
didn't okay that that's fine too so

2639
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:18,100
these are all things that that happen

2640
01:48:21,540 --> 01:48:19,810
and when you make choices supposedly you

2641
01:48:23,550 --> 01:48:21,550
literally would create another another

2642
01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:23,560
universe so this tree as it were

2643
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:26,710
splitting off millions and millions of

2644
01:48:32,190 --> 01:48:28,570
branches really every second as people

2645
01:48:35,100 --> 01:48:32,200
make choices and this is what shamans in

2646
01:48:37,850 --> 01:48:35,110
Australia and Quebec in 1979 essentially

2647
01:48:40,590 --> 01:48:37,860
describe to me is the the tree of

2648
01:48:42,570 --> 01:48:40,600
creation that they have recognized for

2649
01:48:46,170 --> 01:48:42,580
tens of thousands of years so eyes again

2650
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:46,180
I think that has a pedigree so we would

2651
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:48,370
for example there was a case and

2652
01:48:53,190 --> 01:48:50,050
Willimantic Connecticut some years ago

2653
01:48:54,750 --> 01:48:53,200
and back in the 90s and they said well

2654
01:48:56,460 --> 01:48:54,760
we're hearing footsteps on our steps in

2655
01:48:57,150 --> 01:48:56,470
describing a Stutz and we're seeing he

2656
01:48:59,040 --> 01:48:57,160
webOS

2657
01:49:00,690 --> 01:48:59,050
strange lights in the sky outside the

2658
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:00,700
house so again another evidence that

2659
01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:03,520
maybe there's a connection well I went

2660
01:49:09,900 --> 01:49:07,180
to the house and I heard these footsteps

2661
01:49:12,540 --> 01:49:09,910
and they sometimes they don't record but

2662
01:49:14,460 --> 01:49:12,550
in this case they did and on a hunch I

2663
01:49:16,260 --> 01:49:14,470
said I told the guy go on up to the top

2664
01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:16,270
of the stairs because I slept in the

2665
01:49:19,110 --> 01:49:17,710
living room and I heard the stairs of

2666
01:49:21,870 --> 01:49:19,120
the in the morning and had that there

2667
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:21,880
tape going he came down the stairs and

2668
01:49:27,810 --> 01:49:23,920
said whatever it was exactly the same

2669
01:49:30,690 --> 01:49:27,820
sound I think that it was a recording of

2670
01:49:32,580 --> 01:49:30,700
him in a close parallel world because he

2671
01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:32,590
came down every morning the more times

2672
01:49:36,810 --> 01:49:35,200
you do something a habit really is

2673
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:36,820
you're doing it in many many different

2674
01:49:40,140 --> 01:49:38,080
worlds and I think that was a small

2675
01:49:41,820 --> 01:49:40,150
example that perhaps we're dealing with

2676
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:41,830
with the right idea in this multiple

2677
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:44,970
worlds thing so I just think that that's

2678
01:49:49,020 --> 01:49:46,930
that's what that's what we're dealing

2679
01:49:52,170 --> 01:49:49,030
with and the medela affected it may very

2680
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:52,180
well be part of that yeah there was I've

2681
01:49:59,100 --> 01:49:54,930
seen something similar to the Mandela

2682
01:50:00,690 --> 01:49:59,110
effect before and it had to do with the

2683
01:50:03,570 --> 01:50:00,700
death of another actor and I'm trying to

2684
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:03,580
remember who it was where everyone just

2685
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:06,250
assumed he was gone but he was actually

2686
01:50:11,970 --> 01:50:09,040
still alive I don't know if you so it

2687
01:50:13,950 --> 01:50:11,980
isn't just Nelson Mandela maybe part of

2688
01:50:15,930 --> 01:50:13,960
it has to do with rumors on the internet

2689
01:50:17,699 --> 01:50:15,940
or something like that to the

2690
01:50:21,209 --> 01:50:17,709
information overload that we

2691
01:50:23,009 --> 01:50:21,219
yeah however I remember as a kid before

2692
01:50:26,850 --> 01:50:23,019
there was an Internet long before that

2693
01:50:28,770 --> 01:50:26,860
as you know Omar weave people gather at

2694
01:50:30,569 --> 01:50:28,780
our house and old friends and they tap

2695
01:50:31,979 --> 01:50:30,579
occasionally I remember different

2696
01:50:34,830 --> 01:50:31,989
memories of certain things although not

2697
01:50:36,689 --> 01:50:34,840
a lot so if the only information

2698
01:50:38,850 --> 01:50:36,699
overload me I've heard a statistic that

2699
01:50:41,489 --> 01:50:38,860
people say is true that we receive more

2700
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:41,499
information in a day than our ancestors

2701
01:50:46,379 --> 01:50:44,650
received in a lifetime we definitely

2702
01:50:49,410 --> 01:50:46,389
could take yeah but take it if you can

2703
01:50:50,879 --> 01:50:49,420
argue that take it in yeah you have to

2704
01:50:52,469 --> 01:50:50,889
consider that as well you always look at

2705
01:50:55,919 --> 01:50:52,479
a mundane explanation before you look at

2706
01:50:57,899 --> 01:50:55,929
a weird one plus some you know I you

2707
01:50:59,640 --> 01:50:57,909
know we think like something like forty

2708
01:51:02,100 --> 01:50:59,650
to forty thousand different thoughts a

2709
01:51:03,929 --> 01:51:02,110
day on top of the new information that

2710
01:51:07,529 --> 01:51:03,939
we can take in that's a lot that's why

2711
01:51:09,359 --> 01:51:07,539
you meditate there you go someone want

2712
01:51:10,979 --> 01:51:09,369
to know this is a little bit off-topic

2713
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:10,989
an I don't know if this has anything to

2714
01:51:15,689 --> 01:51:13,209
do with you or not have you ever crossed

2715
01:51:18,929 --> 01:51:15,699
paths with Richard Doty back in the

2716
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:18,939
1980s you even know who he is yeah I I

2717
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:22,260
never did I don't know much about him I

2718
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:25,209
was involved into its case and yeah yeah

2719
01:51:31,609 --> 01:51:29,199
I did know ted serios that I know that

2720
01:51:34,410 --> 01:51:31,619
name yes but thoughtography he called it

2721
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:34,420
he was quite the character it was even

2722
01:51:38,250 --> 01:51:36,489
known to the police however he he was

2723
01:51:39,660 --> 01:51:38,260
able to look in and I just never saw any

2724
01:51:42,359 --> 01:51:39,670
reason to disbelieve that he could do

2725
01:51:44,669 --> 01:51:42,369
this look into the lens of a camera and

2726
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:44,679
what he was thinking would come out on

2727
01:51:46,949 --> 01:51:45,280
the film

2728
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:46,959
there were times he didn't even have to

2729
01:51:49,859 --> 01:51:48,489
use a camera just look at a packet of

2730
01:51:51,870 --> 01:51:49,869
film back when you had that can even

2731
01:51:53,459 --> 01:51:51,880
pull the right film and it would come

2732
01:51:55,379 --> 01:51:53,469
out at some some scene it was thinking

2733
01:51:57,029 --> 01:51:55,389
it would come out on the film okay so

2734
01:51:59,219 --> 01:51:57,039
whatever was was pretty weird I saw him

2735
01:52:02,879 --> 01:51:59,229
doing yeah there's supposed to be a guy

2736
01:52:05,370 --> 01:52:02,889
now and I'm trying to Denmark I think it

2737
01:52:08,549 --> 01:52:05,380
is that's doing this over and over again

2738
01:52:10,949 --> 01:52:08,559
and yeah there was actually a woman I

2739
01:52:14,330 --> 01:52:10,959
had on my show one time and I'm just

2740
01:52:18,449 --> 01:52:14,340
trying to remember who she was that

2741
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:18,459
specializes in crop circles funded by

2742
01:52:24,179 --> 01:52:22,090
the Rockefeller eventually foundation do

2743
01:52:25,799 --> 01:52:24,189
you know who I mean in Boston oh I I

2744
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:25,809
think I know but I can't think of her

2745
01:52:31,260 --> 01:52:27,130
name I don't like to speculate on the

2746
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:31,270
yes oh yeah yeah but so she's she's uh

2747
01:52:34,650 --> 01:52:33,520
a lot of work with this guy and it's

2748
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:34,660
really weird you can go on the website

2749
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:36,730
and see all types of images yeah he's

2750
01:52:41,700 --> 01:52:38,650
conjured up you know different people's

2751
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:41,710
faces and things like that this was the

2752
01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:43,930
essence of Project Star Gate believe it

2753
01:52:46,370 --> 01:52:44,710
or not that's what it was actually

2754
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:46,380
called and then there was its

2755
01:52:50,700 --> 01:52:48,970
transmogrified several times but the

2756
01:52:54,270 --> 01:52:50,710
Soviets were experimenting with psychics

2757
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:54,280
to see if remote viewing they could view

2758
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:56,290
enemy targets they detonate ordnance

2759
01:52:59,460 --> 01:52:58,000
things of this kind at a distance and so

2760
01:53:02,130 --> 01:52:59,470
the US was doing the same thing and

2761
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:02,140
there was some success as I understand

2762
01:53:07,980 --> 01:53:06,730
it but obviously it's classified and I

2763
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,990
think is there I had a clearance but

2764
01:53:11,580 --> 01:53:09,760
that doesn't mean you know anything it's

2765
01:53:14,010 --> 01:53:11,590
it's mission specific and it's a

2766
01:53:15,180 --> 01:53:14,020
need-to-know only so it's not like you

2767
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:15,190
have a clear route you know all this

2768
01:53:20,730 --> 01:53:17,440
stuff so yeah yeah

2769
01:53:22,590 --> 01:53:20,740
so speaking of crop circles is that

2770
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:22,600
something you've ever have kind of on

2771
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:25,090
the fence about those but I don't really

2772
01:53:28,980 --> 01:53:26,530
know is that something you've ever done

2773
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:28,990
a show on oh yeah we all sure we have

2774
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:30,850
we've done shown it 700 shows you must

2775
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:32,770
have covered it oh yeah absolutely leave

2776
01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:34,000
it out there's still things we haven't

2777
01:53:37,710 --> 01:53:36,070
really covered really we're just about

2778
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:37,720
to do a show in Kecksburg with the next

2779
01:53:42,450 --> 01:53:39,520
few months and we had never done one on

2780
01:53:43,890 --> 01:53:42,460
that specifically anyway so our fear is

2781
01:53:46,020 --> 01:53:43,900
10 years ago that we'd run out of

2782
01:53:47,460 --> 01:53:46,030
subjects just the opposite has occurred

2783
01:53:53,610 --> 01:53:47,470
I'm sure you could say the same thing

2784
01:53:56,220 --> 01:53:53,620
yeah so yeah it's it's uh yeah crop

2785
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:56,230
circles I was very frustrated I was in

2786
01:54:02,880 --> 01:53:59,920
England in 1989 chasing down the the

2787
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:02,890
beasts of Exmoor as they called it with

2788
01:54:07,890 --> 01:54:06,010
a bit of flair which was actually a big

2789
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:07,900
sort of mountain lion type creature

2790
01:54:12,300 --> 01:54:10,480
there's another story behind that and I

2791
01:54:14,580 --> 01:54:12,310
went right by a field in Wiltshire on

2792
01:54:16,350 --> 01:54:14,590
the way to Devon where there was a crop

2793
01:54:17,790 --> 01:54:16,360
circle and I didn't even know it like a

2794
01:54:19,770 --> 01:54:17,800
dope I could have stopped and you know I

2795
01:54:22,170 --> 01:54:19,780
could have seen it but we've talked a

2796
01:54:24,930 --> 01:54:22,180
lot with Jennifer Stein and oh yes and

2797
01:54:26,730 --> 01:54:24,940
of course Linda Moulton Howe and a lot

2798
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:26,740
number of other folks who specialize in

2799
01:54:32,460 --> 01:54:30,370
crop circles I've only seen one once and

2800
01:54:35,250 --> 01:54:32,470
that was in Canada in Ontario where they

2801
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:35,260
seemed to have a lot of them and it's

2802
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:37,450
it's fascinating but I think it's

2803
01:54:42,540 --> 01:54:40,570
muddled it's it's like a photography in

2804
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:42,550
the paranormal today with Photoshop you

2805
01:54:44,779 --> 01:54:44,050
can do anything you could put Godzilla

2806
01:54:47,719 --> 01:54:44,789
in a photo

2807
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:47,729
and somebody's going to believe it the

2808
01:54:53,259 --> 01:54:50,010
the honesty level is something you have

2809
01:54:54,739 --> 01:54:53,269
to be very careful of there are other

2810
01:54:56,329 --> 01:54:54,749
vortices there are sort of

2811
01:54:58,909 --> 01:54:56,339
meteorological phenomena that might

2812
01:55:00,529 --> 01:54:58,919
account for some of them and there are

2813
01:55:02,779 --> 01:55:00,539
whole organizations of people who are

2814
01:55:05,179 --> 01:55:02,789
consider themselves artists who will

2815
01:55:07,339 --> 01:55:05,189
create crop circles on the other hand

2816
01:55:09,379 --> 01:55:07,349
there are some that supposedly have been

2817
01:55:12,109 --> 01:55:09,389
seen in the presence of strange lights I

2818
01:55:13,639 --> 01:55:12,119
don't know about that but but there are

2819
01:55:15,349 --> 01:55:13,649
some that are of great beauty and

2820
01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:15,359
intricacy that you can't imagine anybody

2821
01:55:19,609 --> 01:55:17,129
could do in one night without being seen

2822
01:55:20,989 --> 01:55:19,619
so I don't know what's up as with

2823
01:55:23,149 --> 01:55:20,999
everything else the paranormal it's

2824
01:55:24,679 --> 01:55:23,159
maybe the first day of school and there

2825
01:55:26,659 --> 01:55:24,689
may be something more to it than we

2826
01:55:29,599 --> 01:55:26,669
realize or maybe not so why don't you

2827
01:55:31,849 --> 01:55:29,609
why don't you talk about you have a book

2828
01:55:34,729 --> 01:55:31,859
coming out real soon right well actually

2829
01:55:36,109 --> 01:55:34,739
it just came out in July if there's one

2830
01:55:37,849 --> 01:55:36,119
coming out real soon and may have an

2831
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:37,859
example of the Mandela effect because I

2832
01:55:43,039 --> 01:55:41,760
don't know okay well we're trying to

2833
01:55:46,849 --> 01:55:43,049
establish the behind the paranormal

2834
01:55:48,859 --> 01:55:46,859
series last year November from shiver

2835
01:55:50,299 --> 01:55:48,869
books came behind the paranormal

2836
01:55:52,579 --> 01:55:50,309
everything you know was wrong that's in

2837
01:55:57,079 --> 01:55:52,589
most stores even Barnes & Noble you can

2838
01:55:58,639 --> 01:55:57,089
get it then in July shiver let us out of

2839
01:56:00,469 --> 01:55:58,649
our contract a little because we we had

2840
01:56:02,359 --> 01:56:00,479
to speak at an event and we wanted this

2841
01:56:03,500 --> 01:56:02,369
book because all the children were

2842
01:56:05,479 --> 01:56:03,510
asking for it although it's not a

2843
01:56:06,919 --> 01:56:05,489
children's book than what I just

2844
01:56:08,569 --> 01:56:06,929
mentioned behind the paranormal to

2845
01:56:11,059 --> 01:56:08,579
Bigfoot and Mothman and monsters you

2846
01:56:13,969 --> 01:56:11,069
never heard of and we get into some of

2847
01:56:16,309 --> 01:56:13,979
the UFO Bigfoot connections in there and

2848
01:56:18,319 --> 01:56:16,319
that came out in July from barking cat

2849
01:56:20,329 --> 01:56:18,329
books which is our own one part of our

2850
01:56:22,489 --> 01:56:20,339
own family media company and we

2851
01:56:25,219 --> 01:56:22,499
resurrected it in order to get the book

2852
01:56:27,469 --> 01:56:25,229
out in time so that's a Amazon Kindle

2853
01:56:28,819 --> 01:56:27,479
and Amazon it's not in stores yet so so

2854
01:56:32,689 --> 01:56:28,829
that might be the one they're referring

2855
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:32,699
to the next one I think we're going to

2856
01:56:35,389 --> 01:56:34,169
and Ben and I are still talking about

2857
01:56:37,609 --> 01:56:35,399
this because we write them together by

2858
01:56:41,899 --> 01:56:37,619
son and I we may be behind the

2859
01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:41,909
paranormal three the UFOs the paranormal

2860
01:56:46,849 --> 01:56:44,760
and God why is this such an interest in

2861
01:56:48,739 --> 01:56:46,859
that yeah and we're going to bypass flat

2862
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:48,749
barriers of it and maybe maybe get into

2863
01:56:50,479 --> 01:56:50,010
that so some of the stalking talked

2864
01:56:52,609 --> 01:56:50,489
about tonight

2865
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:52,619
hey well it's been a pleasure and thanks

2866
01:56:56,830 --> 01:56:54,169
for driving all the way up here from

2867
01:56:58,390 --> 01:56:56,840
Woonsocket while I love Maine so it's

2868
01:56:59,740 --> 01:56:58,400
you gave me a great excuse yeah and

2869
01:57:01,330 --> 01:56:59,750
you're gonna you're gonna hermit

2870
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:01,340
yourself out here and do a lot of work I

2871
01:57:05,170 --> 01:57:03,170
hurts I brought a whole pile of work and

2872
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:05,180
speaking in Portsmouth New Hampshire on

2873
01:57:07,930 --> 01:57:06,530
Saturday but Ben's gonna meet me there

2874
01:57:10,030 --> 01:57:07,940
at the public library and there quite a

2875
01:57:11,950 --> 01:57:10,040
few people signed up as I understand so

2876
01:57:14,290 --> 01:57:11,960
I just you know thanks to your

2877
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:14,300
hospitality be here a couple of days get

2878
01:57:16,750 --> 01:57:15,410
some work done and then head it right

2879
01:57:19,420 --> 01:57:16,760
down to Portsmouth on the way back to

2880
01:57:21,700 --> 01:57:19,430
the my lair yeah and then northern Rhode

2881
01:57:23,740 --> 01:57:21,710
Island excellent well thanks so much I

2882
01:57:27,490 --> 01:57:23,750
really appreciate it thank you all right

2883
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:27,500
so next week we have our guest every

2884
01:57:32,500 --> 01:57:29,360
once in a while I will bring a skeptic

2885
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:32,510
or even a debunker on and this guy has

2886
01:57:37,780 --> 01:57:33,920
his own thoughts on what happened to

2887
01:57:40,210 --> 01:57:37,790
Betty and Barney Hill Jim Jim McDonald

2888
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:40,220
will be on next week some people will

2889
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:42,800
like it some people will hate it it

2890
01:57:46,750 --> 01:57:44,690
should be an interesting show overall

2891
01:57:48,430 --> 01:57:46,760
all right everyone so thanks a lot and

2892
01:57:57,500 --> 01:57:48,440
thanks for supporting the show and